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Teacher Affirms Transgenderism in Classroom
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J Young
2006-12-23 04:50:30 UTC
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That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.






http://www.citizenlink.org/fnif/A000003454.cfm







The lecture didn't settle well with the third grade students, or
their parents.

During a recent discussion about families in a Newton, Massachusetts
public school, a third-grade student spoke up and said "some men like
to become women." The teacher, then, affirmed 8-year-old pupils that
transgenderism is a viable option for some.

Parents were understandably upset with the teacher and the school. Tom
Mountain with the Newton Tab says the teacher's disclosure was more
than just a political option for the children.

"Parents were remarking that they had nightmares at night, they
couldn't sleep. One little girl told her mother that she was scared
that her little sister could turn into a boy. Other kids expressed to
the parents that their daddies could become women and they still want
to keep their daddies."

But, Newton educators dismissed the concerns and explained that the
class discussion was a "teachable moment," meaning they don't
have to inform parents or apologize for covering such disturbing
topics. Brian Camenker with Mass Resistance says some parents are
pulling their kids out of school because of the mindset that what kids
learn is none of the parents' business.

"That attitude is just horrific, I'm sure it has a lot to do with
the gay marriage issue going on in Massachusetts and we've seen it
around the state, but it's getting worse."

One parent is suing Newton Schools over its pro-homosexual curriculum.
Camenker says it could happen in your state.

"I think people around the country need to understand that this is
going to happen to them. It's not going to stop in Massachusetts and
they need to start getting active."

He says the last thing you want your local educators to do is tell your
child that transgenderism is normal.
Marty
2006-12-23 04:57:44 UTC
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Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
I think that there is proof that Christ's mums virgin birth proves that she's a
Lizard.

A virgin birth this holiday -- by a Komodo dragon
By Maria Cheng
Associated Press
December 22, 2006


CHESTER, England -- As Christmas approaches, a virgin mother is anxiously
awaiting the arrival of her offspring. She's Flora, the Komodo dragon.
In an evolutionary twist, Flora has managed to become pregnant without any
male help. It would seem the timing is auspicious: The seven baby Komodo dragons
are due this festive season.
"We were blown away when we realized what she'd done," said Kevin Buley, a
reptile expert at Flora's home at the Chester Zoo in this town in northern
England. "But we certainly won't be naming any of the hatchlings Jesus."
Other reptile species reproduce asexually in a process known as
parthenogenesis. But Flora's virginal conception, and that of another Komodo
dragon earlier this year at the London Zoo, are the first time it has been
documented in a Komodo dragon.
The reptiles, renowned for their intelligence, are native to Indonesia.
They are the world's largest lizards and have no natural predators -- making
them on par with sharks and lions at the pinnacle of the animal kingdom.
The cases of Flora and the London lizard, Sungai, are described in a paper
published Thursday in Nature.
Parthenogenesis is a process in which eggs become embryos without male
fertilization. It has been seen in about 70 species, including snakes and
lizards. Scientists are unsure whether female Komodo dragons have always had
this latent ability to reproduce or whether this is a new evolutionary
development.
At 8 years old, Flora -- whom Buley describes as "demure" -- has been
raised in captivity. She has never been exposed to a male Komodo dragon and
lives with her younger sister, Nessie.
Flora's keepers first became suspicious in May, when she laid 25 eggs.
Though it's not uncommon for female dragons to lay eggs without mating,
such eggs are not usually fertilized. As a precaution, they were placed in an
incubator. About half of Flora's eggs looked like real eggs -- they had solid
shells.
When three of them collapsed, scientists took a closer look.
"We saw blood vessels and a small embryo," said Buley, one of the Nature
study's authors.
They then sent the collapsed eggs, along with tissue samples from Flora,
Nessie and a male Komodo dragon, to a laboratory that conducted genetic testing
to determine the eggs' parentage. Results showed that although the baby Komodo
dragons are not exact Flora clones, their DNA could not have come from any other
dragon.


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Larry (Scratch)
2006-12-23 07:02:06 UTC
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Post by Marty
Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
I think that there is proof that Christ's mums virgin birth proves that she's a
Lizard.
School vacation again huh?
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan


http://www.highvolumemedia.com/thebullhorn/WarOnTerror/ClintonsFailures/

\"POLITICIANS & DIAPERS NEED TO BE
CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON\"
Viejo Vizcacha
2006-12-23 13:15:36 UTC
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Post by Larry (Scratch)
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"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.

VV
Andrealphus
2006-12-23 15:16:48 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
osprey
2006-12-24 05:55:07 UTC
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Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.

But, getting back to some of the stupid things you are saying.

Do you think Reagan or Nancy were the only ones in political office to
ever consult an astrologer? Do you think Nancy was the only first lady
to have influence on decisions made?

If so, you are sadly mistaken and uneducated to boot.

Warren Hardings wife, she consulted astrologers.

How about Eleanor Roosevelt...wife of one of the greatest presidents we
ever had.

Nixon

The Fords

Henry Kissinger


All consulted astrologers

Or how about this...

one of your liberal icons...Hillary Clinton

"Hillary Rodham Clinton consulted with a spiritual adviser who led her
through imaginary conversations with her personal hero, Eleanor
Roosevelt, according to a new book about the 1996 presidential
campaign."

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/06-96/06-24-96/a01wn006.htm


Do you need any more educating???
Peter White
2006-12-24 06:00:33 UTC
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Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
But, getting back to some of the stupid things you are saying.
Do you think Reagan or Nancy were the only ones in political office to
ever consult an astrologer? Do you think Nancy was the only first lady
to have influence on decisions made?
If so, you are sadly mistaken and uneducated to boot.
Warren Hardings wife, she consulted astrologers.
How about Eleanor Roosevelt...wife of one of the greatest presidents we
ever had.
Nixon
The Fords
Henry Kissinger
All consulted astrologers
Jack Kennedy and Clinton use the stars often. Munroe, Lawford
Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Jane Fonda, Streep
Post by osprey
Or how about this...
one of your liberal icons...Hillary Clinton
"Hillary Rodham Clinton consulted with a spiritual adviser who led her
through imaginary conversations with her personal hero, Eleanor
Roosevelt, according to a new book about the 1996 presidential
campaign."
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/06-96/06-24-96/a01wn006.htm
Do you need any more educating???
osprey
2006-12-24 06:28:20 UTC
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Post by Peter White
Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
But, getting back to some of the stupid things you are saying.
Do you think Reagan or Nancy were the only ones in political office to
ever consult an astrologer? Do you think Nancy was the only first lady
to have influence on decisions made?
If so, you are sadly mistaken and uneducated to boot.
Warren Hardings wife, she consulted astrologers.
How about Eleanor Roosevelt...wife of one of the greatest presidents we
ever had.
Nixon
The Fords
Henry Kissinger
All consulted astrologers
Jack Kennedy and Clinton use the stars often. Munroe, Lawford
Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Jane Fonda, Streep
Exactly, so the point is that it is nothing new for people in authority
and/or high class to use astrologers. It doesn't mean that they
allowed the astrologers to have the final decision on important
matters, it just means they went to other sources. Which isn't a bad
thing.
Post by Peter White
Post by osprey
Or how about this...
one of your liberal icons...Hillary Clinton
"Hillary Rodham Clinton consulted with a spiritual adviser who led her
through imaginary conversations with her personal hero, Eleanor
Roosevelt, according to a new book about the 1996 presidential
campaign."
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/06-96/06-24-96/a01wn006.htm
Do you need any more educating???
Viejo Vizcacha
2006-12-24 14:03:26 UTC
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Post by osprey
Post by Peter White
Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
But, getting back to some of the stupid things you are saying.
Do you think Reagan or Nancy were the only ones in political office to
ever consult an astrologer? Do you think Nancy was the only first lady
to have influence on decisions made?
If so, you are sadly mistaken and uneducated to boot.
Warren Hardings wife, she consulted astrologers.
How about Eleanor Roosevelt...wife of one of the greatest presidents we
ever had.
Nixon
The Fords
Henry Kissinger
All consulted astrologers
Jack Kennedy and Clinton use the stars often. Munroe, Lawford
Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Jane Fonda, Streep
Exactly, so the point is that it is nothing new for people in authority
and/or high class to use astrologers. It doesn't mean that they
allowed the astrologers to have the final decision on important
matters, it just means they went to other sources. Which isn't a bad
thing.
The problem with using intelligent humour is that it requires
intelligent people to understand it. Pity!

VV
Andrealphus
2006-12-24 14:17:45 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by osprey
Post by Peter White
Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we
will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under
not remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as
advisors. Nancy ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents in our history..imagine that.
But, getting back to some of the stupid things you are saying.
Do you think Reagan or Nancy were the only ones in political
office to ever consult an astrologer? Do you think Nancy was the
only first lady to have influence on decisions made?
If so, you are sadly mistaken and uneducated to boot.
Warren Hardings wife, she consulted astrologers.
How about Eleanor Roosevelt...wife of one of the greatest
presidents we ever had.
Nixon
The Fords
Henry Kissinger
All consulted astrologers
Jack Kennedy and Clinton use the stars often. Munroe, Lawford
Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Jane Fonda, Streep
Exactly, so the point is that it is nothing new for people in
authority and/or high class to use astrologers. It doesn't mean
that they allowed the astrologers to have the final decision on
important matters, it just means they went to other sources. Which
isn't a bad thing.
The problem with using intelligent humour is that it requires
intelligent people to understand it. Pity!
VV
LOL! Osprey isn't the brightest penny in the pack. He fails to
understand that no other sitting president has ever made the claim to have
used astrologers to make their political decisions for the like Reagan did.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
âlant.org
2006-12-25 07:55:41 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:03:26 -0500, Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by osprey
Post by Peter White
Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
But, getting back to some of the stupid things you are saying.
Do you think Reagan or Nancy were the only ones in political office to
ever consult an astrologer? Do you think Nancy was the only first lady
to have influence on decisions made?
If so, you are sadly mistaken and uneducated to boot.
Warren Hardings wife, she consulted astrologers.
How about Eleanor Roosevelt...wife of one of the greatest presidents we
ever had.
Nixon
The Fords
Henry Kissinger
All consulted astrologers
Jack Kennedy and Clinton use the stars often. Munroe, Lawford
Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Jane Fonda, Streep
Exactly, so the point is that it is nothing new for people in authority
and/or high class to use astrologers. It doesn't mean that they
allowed the astrologers to have the final decision on important
matters, it just means they went to other sources. Which isn't a bad
thing.
The problem with using intelligent humour is that it requires
intelligent people to understand it. Pity!
And it also requires intelligence to employ it -- that's why you
failed miserably.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
VV
Parsifal
2006-12-24 09:26:08 UTC
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Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Who says that?
osprey
2006-12-24 09:38:17 UTC
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Post by Parsifal
Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Who says that?
Obviously you are a liberal because if you were not, you would be
educated enough to know how to look these things up.

http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html

..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest president of all
time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
Viejo Vizcacha
2006-12-24 14:06:24 UTC
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Post by osprey
Post by Parsifal
Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Who says that?
Obviously you are a liberal because if you were not, you would be
educated enough to know how to look these things up.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest president of all
time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
Is this the same majority of Americans who elected Bush twice and
believed that there were WMD's in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein was
behind the attacks of 9/11?

VV
osprey
2006-12-24 14:10:23 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by osprey
Post by Parsifal
Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Who says that?
Obviously you are a liberal because if you were not, you would be
educated enough to know how to look these things up.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest president of all
time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
Is this the same majority of Americans who elected Bush twice and
believed that there were WMD's in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein was
behind the attacks of 9/11?
Read the article and the sources for yourself.

Is this another attempt at developing a "strawman"?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
VV
Andrealphus
2006-12-24 14:24:27 UTC
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Post by osprey
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by osprey
Post by Parsifal
Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we
will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went
under not remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as
advisors. Nancy ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents in our history..imagine that.
Who says that?
Obviously you are a liberal because if you were not, you would be
educated enough to know how to look these things up.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a
majority of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest
president of all time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
Is this the same majority of Americans who elected Bush twice and
believed that there were WMD's in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein was
behind the attacks of 9/11?
Read the article and the sources for yourself.
Already have, can't you answer the question yourself?
Post by osprey
Is this another attempt at developing a "strawman"?
No, but it clearly shows that your head is full of straw.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Viejo Vizcacha
2006-12-24 14:26:21 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by osprey
Post by Parsifal
Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Who says that?
Obviously you are a liberal because if you were not, you would be
educated enough to know how to look these things up.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest president of all
time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
Is this the same majority of Americans who elected Bush twice and
believed that there were WMD's in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein was
behind the attacks of 9/11?
Read the article and the sources for yourself.
I read the article. It was written when Reagan died. At times like this
people tend to say good things about the dead, and mention only passing
their mistakes.

Nevertheless, when people start to compare the current president with
Reagan, it surely will help to put Reagan in a place of honour.
Post by osprey
Is this another attempt at developing a "strawman"?
Wow! You read about "straw man." Good. Now, next step is to UNDERSTAND
it. Once you do, you will realize that my argument has nothing to do
with straw man. If something, it might have to do with "guilt by
association."
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/guilt-by-association.html


But, your argument was also a form of appeal to popularity.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-popularity.html

Cheers,
VV
osprey
2006-12-24 14:30:17 UTC
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Post by Parsifal
Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
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"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Who says that?
Obviously you are a liberal because if you were not, you would be
educated enough to know how to look these things up.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest president of all
time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
Is this the same majority of Americans who elected Bush twice and
believed that there were WMD's in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein was
behind the attacks of 9/11?
Read the article and the sources for yourself.
I read the article. It was written when Reagan died. At times like this
people tend to say good things about the dead, and mention only passing
their mistakes.
LOL

Strawman noted
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Nevertheless, when people start to compare the current president with
Reagan, it surely will help to put Reagan in a place of honour.
I don't like everything Bush is doing either.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by osprey
Is this another attempt at developing a "strawman"?
Wow! You read about "straw man." Good. Now, next step is to UNDERSTAND
it.
I do, and I see it is YOU who has the double standards and is the one
trying to develop a strawman.
âlant.org
2006-12-25 08:05:51 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Nevertheless, when people start to compare the current president with
Reagan, it surely will help to put Reagan in a place of honour.
And if they were to compare a pile of dog shit to Clinton the dog
shit would be ranked No.1

TERROR DATES

1996
June 25 A lorry bomb explodes at US military barracks in Dhahran,
Saudi Arabia, killing 19 Americans; Osama bin Laden identified as
terrorist financier
1998
June Osama bin Laden placed on FBI’s Ten Most Wanted List
Aug 7 US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania are bombed; Osama bin Laden
named as the mastermind of the attacks
Aug 20 US forces launch day of missile strikes on camps in Afghanistan
and destroy a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan
Dec 24 In an ABC News interview, bin Laden denies responsibility for
the embassy attacks
2000
Oct 12 Attack on the USS Cole by bin Laden sympathizers kills 17

CLINTON

1997
Dec 19 Monica Lewinsky subpoenaed to appear at a deposition hearing
1998
Jan 17 The Drudge Report breaks story about a White House intern’s
sexual affair with President Clinton
Jan 26 Clinton declares “I did not have sexual relations with that
woman”
Aug 6 Lewinsky testifies before the Starr grand jury
Aug 17 Clinton admits in a televised speech, “I did have a
relationship with Ms Lewinsky that was not appropriate” (she sucked
his dick)
Dec 11 House Judiciary Committee approve articles of impeachment
Dec 19 Clinton impeached by the House on two counts of perjury and
obstruction of justice
1999
Jan 7 Impeachment trial begins in the Senate Feb. 12 Senate acquits
Clinton

Clinton barred from practicing law before the United States Supreme
Court.
Andrealphus
2006-12-24 14:19:56 UTC
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Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we
will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under
not remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as
advisors. Nancy ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents in our history..imagine that.
Who says that?
Obviously you are a liberal because if you were not, you would be
educated enough to know how to look these things up.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest president of all
time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
Is this the same majority of Americans who elected Bush twice and
believed that there were WMD's in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein was
behind the attacks of 9/11?
VV
Exactly. Some one goes out and polls a buch of right wing hacks like Osprey
and they think that is actual research. LOL!
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Larry (Scratch)
2006-12-24 16:13:28 UTC
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Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors.
Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Who says that?
Obviously you are a liberal because if you were not, you would be
educated enough to know how to look these things up.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest president of all
time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
Is this the same majority of Americans who elected Bush twice
Yea, ain't Democracy a bitch for you communists?
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan


http://www.highvolumemedia.com/thebullhorn/WarOnTerror/ClintonsFailures/

\"POLITICIANS & DIAPERS NEED TO BE
CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON\"
âlant.org
2006-12-25 07:59:09 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by osprey
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest president of all
time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
Is this the same majority of Americans who elected Bush twice and
believed that there were WMD's in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein was
behind the attacks of 9/11?
What Did The Democrats Say About Iraq's WMD

JANUARY 30, 2004

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and
security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 |
Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including,
if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to
respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its
weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9,
1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 |
Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have
always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and
biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to
terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that
if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his
capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying
to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
VV
Andrealphus
2006-12-24 14:19:01 UTC
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Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will
be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under
not remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors.
Nancy ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Who says that?
Obviously you are a liberal
Obviously you're a right wing political hack. To think that Reagan has
gone down in history as one of hte greatest presidents one would have to
suspend reality completely.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
âlant.org
2006-12-25 08:11:59 UTC
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Post by Andrealphus
Obviously you're a right wing political hack. To think that Reagan has
gone down in history as one of hte greatest presidents one would have to
suspend reality completely.
But when will YOU quit altering the content of posts made by others?
Parsifal
2006-12-24 14:50:35 UTC
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Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Who says that?
Obviously you are a liberal because if you were not, you would be
educated enough to know how to look these things up.
Obviously, you are a rightard to think that a popularity contest has
any meaning...
Just because Britney Spears sells more cd than Mozart, does that make
her a better musician?
Post by osprey
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest president of all
time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
There's a difference between "going down in history as one of the
greatest presidents" and "winning a popularity contest". And the fact
that Americans put Reagan ahead of Lincoln or Roosevelt shows very well
the sad level of education in your country.
Andrealphus
2006-12-24 14:54:42 UTC
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Post by Parsifal
Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we
will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under
not remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as
advisors. Nancy ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents in our history..imagine that.
Who says that?
Obviously you are a liberal because if you were not, you would be
educated enough to know how to look these things up.
Obviously, you are a rightard to think that a popularity contest has
any meaning...
Just because Britney Spears sells more cd than Mozart, does that make
her a better musician?
Post by osprey
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest president of all
time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
There's a difference between "going down in history as one of the
greatest presidents" and "winning a popularity contest". And the fact
that Americans put Reagan ahead of Lincoln or Roosevelt shows very
well the sad level of education in your country.
I've just been researching this a bit and I've found no less than 100
"Polls" that claim one president is the best or most popular or the
greatest. As one would expect, the farther left the political views of
the website, the farther left their "best" president is. The farther
right the political views of the website, the farther right their "best"
president is. This is something that Osprey will never understand. He's
too much of a political right wing hack. He claims he isn't, but it's
quite obvious in his posts.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
âlant.org
2006-12-25 08:10:40 UTC
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Post by Andrealphus
I've just been researching this a bit and I've found no less than 100
"Polls" that claim one president is the best or most popular or the
greatest.
Polls in which you will altered the content to suit your "NEEDS."

When will YOU quit altering the content of posts made by others?
osprey
2006-12-24 14:54:45 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Who says that?
Obviously you are a liberal because if you were not, you would be
educated enough to know how to look these things up.
Obviously, you are a rightard to think that a popularity contest has
any meaning...
Just because Britney Spears sells more cd than Mozart, does that make
her a better musician?
Post by osprey
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest president of all
time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
There's a difference between "going down in history as one of the
greatest presidents" and "winning a popularity contest". And the fact
that Americans put Reagan ahead of Lincoln or Roosevelt shows very well
the sad level of education in your country.
sigh, another liberal that is disgruntled.
Andrealphus
2006-12-24 14:57:23 UTC
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Post by Parsifal
Post by osprey
Post by Parsifal
Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we
will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went
under not remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as
advisors. Nancy ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents in our history..imagine that.
Who says that?
Obviously you are a liberal because if you were not, you would be
educated enough to know how to look these things up.
Obviously, you are a rightard to think that a popularity contest has
any meaning...
Just because Britney Spears sells more cd than Mozart, does that make
her a better musician?
Post by osprey
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a
majority of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest
president of all time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
There's a difference between "going down in history as one of the
greatest presidents" and "winning a popularity contest". And the fact
that Americans put Reagan ahead of Lincoln or Roosevelt shows very
well the sad level of education in your country.
sigh, another liberal that is disgruntled.
Sigh, another Heishman dodge.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
âlant.org
2006-12-25 08:08:46 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:57:23 GMT, "Andrealphus"
Post by Andrealphus
Sigh, another Heishman dodge.
When will YOU quit altering the content of posts made by others?
Don Homuth
2006-12-24 17:46:38 UTC
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Post by osprey
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest president of all
time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
De mortuis, nihil nisi bonum est.

Especially during the liftime of those who participated. But that's
just a public opinion poll.

History takes far longer to work out.

After all, during his lifetime, HST wasn't highly regarded, viz "To
err is Truman."

History has treated him rather better.
DarkAngel
2006-12-24 12:38:52 UTC
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âlant.org
2006-12-25 07:51:27 UTC
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Post by osprey
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Just goes to show the overall quality of the position...
So you suggest that we elect a non-American.
---
No Gods. No Masters.
Smash the State
You support anarchism.
Viejo Vizcacha
2006-12-24 14:01:11 UTC
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Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Well, to imagine that Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents, you really need a wild imagination.
Post by osprey
But, getting back to some of the stupid things you are saying.
Do you think Reagan or Nancy were the only ones in political office to
ever consult an astrologer? Do you think Nancy was the only first lady
to have influence on decisions made?
Nowhere does he say they were the only president to consult an
astorloger. As for Nancy, he did not say she was influential, but that
she actually made most of the decisions.
Post by osprey
If so, you are sadly mistaken and uneducated to boot.
Now that you are talking about education, it might be worthwhile to
learn about a fallacy known as "straw man."

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html


VV
Post by osprey
Warren Hardings wife, she consulted astrologers.
How about Eleanor Roosevelt...wife of one of the greatest presidents we
ever had.
Nixon
The Fords
Henry Kissinger
All consulted astrologers
Or how about this...
one of your liberal icons...Hillary Clinton
"Hillary Rodham Clinton consulted with a spiritual adviser who led her
through imaginary conversations with her personal hero, Eleanor
Roosevelt, according to a new book about the 1996 presidential
campaign."
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/06-96/06-24-96/a01wn006.htm
Do you need any more educating???
osprey
2006-12-24 14:04:10 UTC
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Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Well, to imagine that Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents, you really need a wild imagination.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html


..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll crowned him the greatest president of all
time, just ahead of Abraham Lincoln."
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by osprey
But, getting back to some of the stupid things you are saying.
Do you think Reagan or Nancy were the only ones in political office to
ever consult an astrologer? Do you think Nancy was the only first lady
to have influence on decisions made?
Nowhere does he say they were the only president to consult an
astorloger. As for Nancy, he did not say she was influential, but that
she actually made most of the decisions.
Nowhere did I say that he said that.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by osprey
If so, you are sadly mistaken and uneducated to boot.
Now that you are talking about education, it might be worthwhile to
learn about a fallacy known as "straw man."
Address your attempt to develop the "straw man", then talk to me.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
VV
Post by osprey
Warren Hardings wife, she consulted astrologers.
How about Eleanor Roosevelt...wife of one of the greatest presidents we
ever had.
Nixon
The Fords
Henry Kissinger
All consulted astrologers
Or how about this...
one of your liberal icons...Hillary Clinton
"Hillary Rodham Clinton consulted with a spiritual adviser who led her
through imaginary conversations with her personal hero, Eleanor
Roosevelt, according to a new book about the 1996 presidential
campaign."
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/06-96/06-24-96/a01wn006.htm
Do you need any more educating???
Andrealphus
2006-12-24 14:22:05 UTC
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Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will
be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under
not remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors.
Nancy ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Well, to imagine that Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents, you really need a wild imagination.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll
What poll? Conducted by who? What was the polling methodogies?
Demographics? 10 right wing hacks doesn't constitute research.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
osprey
2006-12-24 14:28:52 UTC
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Post by osprey
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by osprey
Post by Andrealphus
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Larry (Scratch)
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will
be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under
not remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors.
Nancy ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
Well, to imagine that Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents, you really need a wild imagination.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a majority
of Americans. A 2001 poll
What poll? Conducted by who? What was the polling methodogies?
Demographics? 10 right wing hacks doesn't constitute research.
Read the article yourself. I realize with your limited education and
your bigoted mind, it's hard for you to look outside that deep, dark,
warped circle you live in.

Here is another article that can bust your bubble a little.

Poll: Bush Worst President Since 1945
Ronald Reagan Picked As Best President In Nationwide Survey

CBS) President Bush has been named as the worst president since the end
of the World War II in a new national poll.

Mr. Bush was chosen by 34 percent of the voters who participated in the
the Quinnipiac Unversity survey. Richard Nixon finished second with 17
percent -- just ahead of Bill Clinton with 16 percent.

Ronald Reagan was the top choice as best president, with 28 percent.
Finishing second was Mr. Clinton with 25 percent.

The poll reflected deep partisan divisions. Mr. Bush was ranked worst
by 56 percent of Democrats and 35 percent of independent voters but
only 7 percent of Republicans.

Reagan, on thew other hand, was named as the No. 1 president by 56
percent of Republicans and 25 percent of independent voters but only 7
percent of Democrats.

"Kennedy and Truman get big Democratic votes, especially among baby
boomers (45 - 64 years old) and seniors (over 65), but recent memory
counts," said Maurice Carroll, director of Quinnipiac's Polling
Institute.

"Democrats say Clinton's the best and Republicans say he's the worst.
Republicans don't think much of Jimmy Carter either. There's no contest
for the GOP favorite: It's the Gipper," Carroll added.

The Quinnipiac University poll was carried out from From May 23-30 and
surveyed 1,534 registered voters nationwide. The poll has a margin of
error of +/- 2.5 percentage points.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/01/politics/main1673345.shtml



Enjoy Andarealpussy
Andrealphus
2006-12-24 14:32:43 UTC
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--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we
will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went
under not remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as
advisors. Nancy ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents in our history..imagine that.
Well, to imagine that Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents, you really need a wild imagination.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a
majority of Americans. A 2001 poll
What poll? Conducted by who? What was the polling methodogies?
Demographics? 10 right wing hacks doesn't constitute research.
Read the article yourself.
I did, moron, it answers NONE of those questions. Are you too big a coward
to answer them, right wing hack? I realize that you're too stupid to do
anything but guard prisoners, but at least TRY to think for youself!
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
osprey
2006-12-24 14:54:01 UTC
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"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we
will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went
under not remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as
advisors. Nancy ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents in our history..imagine that.
Well, to imagine that Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents, you really need a wild imagination.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a
majority of Americans. A 2001 poll
What poll? Conducted by who? What was the polling methodogies?
Demographics? 10 right wing hacks doesn't constitute research.
Read the article yourself.
I did, moron, it answers NONE of those questions. Are you too big a coward
to answer them, right wing hack? I realize that you're too stupid to do
anything but guard prisoners, but at least TRY to think for youself!
And now we see the intelligence level of the average liberal.

Attack (name calling)
Try to develop strawman
And then try to make some kind of a comment about my career in law
enforcement, something of which he knows absolutely nothing about.

Now, where did he actually address the subject?

Answer: Nowhere

Thus, he has defeated himself.


Hey liberals, as long as you got liberals like andarealpussy, you do
democrats and republicans a big favor and keep the liberal politicians
at a minimum.
Andrealphus
2006-12-24 14:56:50 UTC
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"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we
will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went
under not remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as
advisors. Nancy ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents in our history..imagine that.
Well, to imagine that Reagan has gone down in history as one of
the greatest presidents, you really need a wild imagination.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a
majority of Americans. A 2001 poll
What poll? Conducted by who? What was the polling methodogies?
Demographics? 10 right wing hacks doesn't constitute research.
Read the article yourself.
I did, moron, it answers NONE of those questions. Are you too big
a coward to answer them, right wing hack? I realize that you're
too stupid to do anything but guard prisoners, but at least TRY to
think for youself!
And now we see the intelligence level of the average liberal.
You're nothing but a right wing hack. Are you really this stupid?
Notice I don't say, "Are conservatives really this stupid?"

Let me know when you're man enough to engage me in the discussion instead of
your personal boogieman.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
osprey
2006-12-24 15:06:00 UTC
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"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we
will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went
under not remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as
advisors. Nancy ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents in our history..imagine that.
Well, to imagine that Reagan has gone down in history as one of
the greatest presidents, you really need a wild imagination.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a
majority of Americans. A 2001 poll
What poll? Conducted by who? What was the polling methodogies?
Demographics? 10 right wing hacks doesn't constitute research.
Read the article yourself.
I did, moron, it answers NONE of those questions. Are you too big
a coward to answer them, right wing hack? I realize that you're
too stupid to do anything but guard prisoners, but at least TRY to
think for youself!
And now we see the intelligence level of the average liberal.
You're nothing but a right wing hack. Are you really this stupid?
Notice I don't say, "Are conservatives really this stupid?"
Let me know when you're man enough to engage me in the discussion instead of
your personal boogieman.
Hmm, lets evaluate.
First you start with name calling on Reagan.
I countered and showed where Reagan is going down as one of the
greatest presidents in the U.S.

You couldn't counter that, so instead you go off on about 10 postings
of nothing but name calling and then making a comment on correctional
officers, which has nothing to do with the issue what so ever and is
another topic in which you know nothing about.

So where were you "man" enough to engage in the discussion in any of
this?

Tell you what arealpussy,

I am going to go out and start my Christmas holidays now with my family
by going to church and enjoying the day with them. You have yourself a
Merry Christmas.
Andrealphus
2006-12-24 15:08:48 UTC
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"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we
will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to
himself: He started forgetting about the Iran/Contra
affair, and went under not remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as
advisors. Nancy ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents in our history..imagine that.
Well, to imagine that Reagan has gone down in history as one of
the greatest presidents, you really need a wild imagination.
http://hnn.us/articles/5558.html
..."There's no doubt that Reagan is held in high esteem by a
majority of Americans. A 2001 poll
What poll? Conducted by who? What was the polling methodogies?
Demographics? 10 right wing hacks doesn't constitute research.
Read the article yourself.
I did, moron, it answers NONE of those questions. Are you too big
a coward to answer them, right wing hack? I realize that you're
too stupid to do anything but guard prisoners, but at least TRY to
think for youself!
And now we see the intelligence level of the average liberal.
You're nothing but a right wing hack. Are you really this stupid?
Notice I don't say, "Are conservatives really this stupid?"
Let me know when you're man enough to engage me in the discussion
instead of your personal boogieman.
Hmm, lets evaluate.
Nothing to evaluate. I gave an opinion about Reagan. You countered with
obvious bullshit. Case closed.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
âlant.org
2006-12-25 08:08:26 UTC
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Post by Andrealphus
Let me know when you're man enough to engage me in the discussion instead of
your personal boogieman.
When will YOU quit altering the content of posts made by others?
âlant.org
2006-12-25 08:11:17 UTC
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Post by Andrealphus
I did, moron, it answers NONE of those questions. Are you too big a coward
to answer them, right wing hack? I realize that you're too stupid to do
anything but guard prisoners, but at least TRY to think for youself!
When will YOU quit altering the content of posts made by others?
âlant.org
2006-12-25 07:53:39 UTC
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Well, to imagine that Reagan has gone down in history as one of the
greatest presidents, you really need a wild imagination.
Only if you are a leftist liberal. Educated Americans accept the fact
that he was one of the greatest
Andrealphus
2006-12-24 14:15:52 UTC
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"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will
be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors.
Nancy ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..
Only in the minds of far right political hacks.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Ray Fischer
2006-12-24 21:55:38 UTC
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"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
VV
Reagan was a babbling idiot who consulted astrologers as advisors. Nancy
ran the country for most of his second term.
And to think, Reagan has gone down in history as one of the greatest
presidents in our history..imagine that.
When one ignores the promotion of terrorism, the dealing with
America's enemies, the massive deficit spending, and one of the most
corrupt administrations in US history.
--
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net
âlant.org
2006-12-24 07:45:30 UTC
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Post by Larry (Scratch)
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"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
He certainly was a prophet, at least when it came to himself: He
started forgetting about the Iran/Contra affair, and went under not
remembering who he was.
And of course we have ripping jimmy carter and whore mongering willie
clinton. Let's see what else we might have among the Dims how about a
little bigotry:

http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/democratrecord.html

The Democrat Party's Long and Shameful History of Bigotry and Racism

A common attack upon conservatives and republicans by the ultra left
is to engage in what has come to be known as "playing the race card"
but is more accurately described as racial McCarthyism. Hardly a day
goes by without a member of the far left wing falsely accusing
conservatives of racism, bigotry, and a wide array of similar nasty
things. They are not only dishonest, but they often border on the
absurd, as in NAACP leader and hyper bigot Julian Bond's recent
implication to his organization that Bush administration officials
supported confederate slavery. Amazingly, Bond's statements went
without condemnation from the radical Democrat party or others in his
organization.

Not surprisingly, in all the lies and accusations of racism by the
radical left wing, the truth becomes distorted not only about the
Republicans but also the Democrats who make these accusations
themselves. For instance, you may or may not have heard Democrat
Senator Robert Byrd's outburst of racist bigoted slurs, more
specifically the "n-word," on national television in March of 2001.
Amazingly, this incident of blatant racism on national television drew
barely a peep from the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Julian Bond, Mary Frances
Berry, or any of the other ambulance chasers who purport themselves to
be the leaders of the civil rights movement. In contrast, the main
source of well deserved criticism for Byrd's racist outburst came not
from any of the so called leaders of the civil rights movement but
from from Republican Majority Leader Dick Armey (source). The race
hustlers Jackson, Mfume et al turned a blind eye towards this act of
racism by one of their own party, at most issuing an unpublicized slap
on the wrist, or, as was more often the case, making not a peep. But
where the race hustlers turn a blind eye and spew their lies, it is up
to conservatives to set the record straight with the truth.

In response to the growing practice of racial McCarthyism by prominent
left wing Democrats, it is necessary to expose the truth about the
Democrat Party's record on Civil Rights:

I. Acts of Bigotry by Prominent Democrats and Leftists:

Franklin Delano Roosevelt: Franklin Roosevelt, the long time hero and
standard bearer of the Democrat Party, headed up and implemented one
of the most horrible racist policies of the 20th Century – the
Japanese Internment Camps during World War II. Roosevelt unilaterally
and knowingly enacted Japanese Internment through the use of
presidential Executive Orders 9066 and 9102 during the early years of
the war. These orders single-handedly led to the imprisonment of an
estimated 120,000 law abiding Americans of Japanese ancestry, the
overwhelming majority of them natural born second and third generation
American citizens. Countless innocents lost their property, fortunes,
and, in the case of an unfortunate few, even their lives as a result
of Roosevelt's internment camps, camps that have been accurately
described as America's concentration camps. Perhaps most telling about
the racist nature of Roosevelt's order was his clearly expressed
intention to apply it almost entirely to Japanese Americans, even
though America was also at war with Germany and Italy. In 1943,
Roosevelt wrote regarding concerns of German and Italian Americans
that they t0o would share in the fate of the interned Japanese
Americans, noting that "no collective evacuation of German and Italian
aliens is contemplated at this time." Despite this assertion,
Roosevelt did exhibit his personal fears about Italian and German
Americans, and in his typical racist form he used an ethnic stereotype
to make his point. Expressing about his position on German and
Italian Americans during World War II, Roosevelt stated “I don’t care
so much about the Italians, they are a lot of opera singers, but the
Germans are different. They may be dangerous.”

Roosevelt also appointed two notorious segregationists to the United
States Supreme Court. Roosevelt appointed South Carolina
segregationist Democrat Jimmy Byrnes to the court. Roosevelt later
made Byrnes a top advisor, where the segregationist earned the
nickname “assistant president.” Byrnes was Roosevelt’s second choice
behind Harry Truman for the VP nod in his 1944 reelection bid.
Roosevelt also appointed segregationist Democrat Senator Hugo Black of
Alabama to the court. Black was a former member of the Ku Klux Klan
with a notorious record of racism himself.

Hugo Black: A former Democrat Senator from Alabama and liberal U.S.
Supreme Court Justice appointed by FDR, Hugo Black had a lengthy
history of hate group activism. Black was a member of the Ku Klux Klan
in the 1920's and gained his legal fame defending Klansmen under
prosecution for racial murders. In one prominent case, Black provided
legal representation to Klansman Edwin Stephenson for the hate-induced
murder of a Catholic priest in Birmingham. A jury composed of several
Klan members acquited Stephenson of the murder, reportedly after Black
expressed Klan gestures to the jury during the trial. In 1926 Black
sought and won election as a Democrat to the United States Senate
after campaigning heavily to Klan membership. He is said to have told
one Klan audience "I desire to impress upon you as representatives of
the real Anglo-Saxon sentiment that must and will control the
destinies of the stars and stripes, that I want your counsel." In the
Senate Black became a stauch supporter of the liberal New Deal
initiatives of FDR and a solid opponent of civil rights legislation,
including a filibuster of an anti-lynching measure. Black led the push
for several New Deal programs and was a key participant in FDR's court
packing scandal. Roosevelt appointed Black, a loyal ally, to the U.S.
Supreme Court. During the Senate confirmation of Black's nomination,
the issue of his strong Klan affiliations caused a public controversy
over his appointment. Following the confirmation Roosevelt claimed
ignorance of Black's Klan past, though this claim was dubious at best.
Black's first Senate election, which occurred with Klan support, had
been covered nationally a decade earlier in 1926. Black's Klan
affiliations were a well known part of his political background and
recieved heavy coverage in the newspapers at the time of his
appointment. On the court, Black became a liberal stalwart. He also
continued his career of supporting racism by authoring the opinion in
favor of FDR's Japanese internment program in the infamous Korematsu
ruling.

Senator Robert Byrd, D-WV: Byrd is a former member of the Ku Klux Klan
and is currently the only national elected official with a history in
the Klan, a well known hate group. Byrd was extremely active in the
Klan and rose to the rank of “Kleagle,” an official Klan membership
recruiter. Byrd once stated that he joined the Klan because it was
effective in "promoting traditional American values" (Source). Byrd's
choice of words speak volumes about his bigotry considering the fact
that the Klan is a notorious hate group, and the racist "values" it
promotes are anything but American. One of the earliest criticisms of
Byrd's Klan ties came in 1952 when he was running for Congress. Byrd
responded by claiming that he had left the Klan in 1943 while noting
that "(d)uring the nine years that have followed, I have never been
interested in the Klan." Byrd was lying, however, as he engaged in
correspondence with a Klan Imperial Wizard long after he claims to
have ended his ties with the hate group.

In a letter to the Klan leadership (Source) dated 3 years after he
purported to have ended his ties with them, Byrd wrote "I am a former
kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining
counties of the state. The Klan is needed today as never before and I
am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia." Byrd continued
his racist diatribe "It is necessary that the order be promoted
immediately and in every state of the Union" and followed with a
request for assistance from the hate group's leadership in "rebuilding
the Klan in the realm" of West Virginia.

Byrd's racism extends far beyond his Klan membership. In a letter he
wrote on the subject of desegregating the armed forces, Byrd escalated
his racist rhetoric to an appalling level. In the letter, Byrd vowed
that he would never fight in an integrated armed services noting
"(r)ather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in
the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours
become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen
from the wilds" (Source).

Byrd's racist opinions have shown their ugly face in his behavior in
the Senate. Byrd led the filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964
and, according to the United States Senate's own website, filibustered
the legislation to the bitter end appearing as one of the last
opponents to the act before a coalition of civil rights proponents led
by Republican Minority Leader Everett Dirksen invoked cloture so that
the Civil Rights Act of 1964 could pass. At the time, Byrd was in the
the midst of a 14 hour and 13 minute filibuster diatribe against the
key civil rights measure (Source). Throughout the 1960's, Byrd was
was one of the staunchest opponents to civil rights in the U.S.
Senate. Byrd’s racist history drew attention recently when he went on
national television and repeatedly used the n-word, one of the most
vicious racial slurs in existence, in an appearance on national
television. Byrd uttered the slur on Fox News Sunday with Tony Snow on
March 5, 2001. Despite the appalling nature of the remark, it went
largely ignored by the mainstream media and the self appointed "civil
rights" leadership. Whereas a similar remark by anyone other than a
leading Democrat Senator would assuredly prompt the likes of Jesse
Jackson to assemble protest rallies demanding resignations, the
Jackson crowd was eerily quiet following Byrd's remarks, issuing only
low key suggestions that Byrd should avoid making such bigoted
remarks.

In a sickening recognition of Byrd's appalling political career, the
national Democrat party has done nothing but embrace the West Virginia
senator with leadership roles and practically every honor imaginable.
To this very day the Democrats call former Klansman turned U.S.
Senator Robert Byrd the "conscience of the Senate." They have embraced
him as their party's central pillar in all ways possible. Byrd has
been reelected more times than any other Democrat senator, has served
as a Democrat in Congress, a Democrat State Senator in West Virginia,
and a Democrat State Delegate in West Virginia. Democrats have made
repeatedly elected Byrd into their national party leadership and into
the U.S. Senate leadership. He became secretary of the Senate Democrat
Caucus in 1967, and Senate Democrat Whip in 1971. The Democrats
elected former Klansman Byrd as their Senate Majority Leader from
1977-1980 and as their Senate Minority Leader from 1981-1986. Byrd was
again elected Democrat Majority Leader from 1987-1988. Democrats made
Byrd the chairman of the powerful Appropriations Committee and
President Pro Tempore of the Senate from 1989 until the Republicans
won control of the Senate in November 1994. Following the defection of
Jim Jeffords in June 2001, the Democrats again made Byrd the chairman
of the Appropriations Committee and elected him to the highest ranking
office in the Senate: the President Pro Tempore, a position which also
put this former Klansman 4th in line for the presidency. Byrd lost his
position when Republicans retook the Senate in late 2002, but
continues to serve as one of the highest ranking members of the
Democrat Senate leadership today.

Senator Ernest Hollings, D-SC: Hollings is liberal Democrat Senator
from South Carolina who is also notorious for his use of racial slurs.
He rose out of the Democrat Party's segregationist wing in the 1960's
as governor of South Carolina. While in office as governor, Hollings
personally led the opposition to lunch counter integration in his
state. The New York Times reported on March 17, 1960 that
then-governor Hollings "warned today that South Carolina would not
permit 'explosive' manifestations in connection with Negro demands for
lunch-counter services." According to the article, Hollings gave a
speech in which he "challenged President Eisenhower's contention that
minorities had the right to engage in certain types of demonstrations"
against segregation. In the speech Hollings described the Republican
president as "confused" and asserted that Eisenhower had done "great
damage to peace and good order" by supporting the rights of minorities
to protest segregation at the lunch counters.

Governor Hollings' support for segregation continued throughout his
term and included his attendance at a July 23, 1961 meeting of
segregationist Democrats to organize their opposition to the civil
rights movement. Hollings was one of four governors in attendence, all
of them Democrats. The others included rabid segregationists Orval
Faubus of Arkansas and Ross Barnett of Mississippi. The New York Times
reported on the meeting, noting that among the strategies discussed
were using the segregationist White Citizens Council organization to
mobilize political opposition to desegregation.

In more recent years Hollings, a senior Democrat senator, has made
disparaging racial remarks and slurs against minorities. Senator
Hollings, who was a contender for his party's presidential nomination
in 1984, blamed his defeat in the primaries by using a racial slur
against Hispanics. After losing the Iowa Straw Poll, Hollings stated
"You had wetbacks from California that came in here for Cranston,"
referring to one of his opponents, Alan Cranston. A few years later
Hollings reportedly used the slur "darkies" to derogatorily refer to
blacks. He also once disparagingly referred to the Rainbow PUSH
Coalition as the "Blackbow Coalition," and called former Senator
Howard Metzenbaum, who is Jewish, "the Senator from B'nai B'rith."
Hollings gained international criticism for his remarks about the
African Delegation to the 1993 Geneva GATT conference, where he
crudely remarked "you'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you
know, rather than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a
good square meal in Geneva." Hollings was also the Governor of South
Carolina who raised the confederate flag over the state capitol in the
early 1960's in what was considered at the time to be an act of
defiance to civil rights. The press ignored Hollings and his role in
the flag issue at the same time the political correctness police were
smearing George W. Bush during his campaign after Bush correctly
remarked that the flag was a state issue to be decided upon by South
Carolina and not the national government.

Jesse Jackson: Jackson was the featured prime time speaker at the 2000
Democrat Convention. Jackson has a history of using anti-Semitic slurs
and derogatorily calling New York City “Hymietown.” Jackson, a
prominent self proclaimed "civil rights leader," is himself guilty of
the same bigotry he dishonestly purports to oppose.

Dan Rather: Rather, the well known television anchor for CBS, is also
a liberal Democrat who has spoken at fundraisers for the Democrat
party in the past. The notoriously left wing reporter appeared on the
Don Imus radio show on July 19, 2001 where he was interviewed about
his long term refusal to cover the Gary Condit (D-CA) scandal
involving an affair with a missing intern despite the scandal's
national prominence. Rather noted on the air that CBS had basically
forced him to cover the story that was on every other network and on
the front page of all the major newspapers, all this after Rather
avoided it for months. Rather stated on the air, refering to CBS, that
"they got the Buckwheats" and made him cover the Condit scandal. The
term "Buckwheat" is considered an offensive racial stereotype that
stems from an easily frightened black character named "Buckwheat" on
the Little Rascals comedies. It is widely regarded as a racial epithet
and has long been condemned as an offensive stereotype by several
civil rights organizations. In several past incidents (see here and
here) the use of the epithet "Buckwheat" has recieved condemnation by
the NAACP, Al Sharpton and other left wing organizations. These left
wing organizations and personalities have demanded that other media
personalities be fired over using the epithet, and even staged a
protest at a school over the mere allegation that the racist
stereotype had been used by a teacher. Yet these same liberal groups
have, to date, remained completely silent now that one of their own,
Dan Rather, is guilty of using the same offensive racial stereotype
they have condemned elsewhere on a national radio show. It's just more
proof of how the left wingers who cry the loudest with accusations of
racism against others turn a blind eye when somebody of their own left
wing ideology is the undeniable culprit of a blatantly racist act or
statement!

Cragg Hines: Hines is one of the most rabidly partisan DC based
Democrat editorial columnists to work for a major newspaper, and he
makes no attempts to hide it. To Hines, pro-lifers are "neanderthals,"
as is often the case with those who differ in opinion with him.
Ironically, Hines, a columnist who regularly touts himself as an
enlightened progressive, is also known for racial remarks and
religious intolerance. He attacked Senator Jesse Helms in an August
26, 2001 editorial with not only the usual liberal name calling, but
also with a racial epithet. Hines used the racial slur "cracker" to
attack Helms. He used the epithet not only within the article's text,
but he even included it in the piece's title. In a sense of heavy
irony, Hines' article accused Helms of bigotry for, among other
things, opposing liberal policies like affirmative action. He didn't
seem to object to himself for his own bigotted language in the same
article. Hines has also drawn heavy criticism from Catholics including
a letter to the editor from the former President of the U.S. Catholic
Bishop's Conference for his seemingly agenda-driven criticisms of
Catholicism and its religious leaders, often based on little or no
historical evidence, which he has expressed in numerous editorial
columns.

Al Sharpton: Sharpton, a perrenial Democrat candidate and one of the
rumored candidates for the Democrat's 2004 presidential nomination,
has a notorious racist past. Sharpton was a central figure who fanned
the 1991 Crown Heights race riot, where a mob shouting anti-semetic
slurs murdered an innocent Jewish man. Sharpton also incited a 1995
protest of a Jewish owned store in Harlem where protesters used
several anti-semetic slurs. During the protests, a Sharpton lieutenant
called the store's owner a "bloodsucker" and declared an intent to
"loot the Jews." A member of the protest mob later set fire to the
store, resulting in the death of seven (source).

Representative Dick Gephardt, D-MO: Gephardt, the former Democrat
Minority Leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, gave several
speeches to a St. Louis area hate group during his early years as a
representative. According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Gephardt
spoke before the Metro South Citizens Council, a now defunct white
supremacist organization, during his early years as a congressman.
Newsmax.com further reported that Gephardt had openly asked the group
for an endorsement of his candidacy during one of his many visits with
the organization. Gephardt has long avoided questions about his past
affiliation with this group.

Andrew Cuomo: Cuomo, Bill Clinton's former Housing Secretary and a
prominent Democrat political player in New York, was tape recorded
using racially inflamatory rhetoric to build opposition to a potential
Democrat primary opponent while speaking to a Democrat group. Cuomo
stated that voting for his rival for the New York Democrat
gubernatorial nomination Carl McCall, who is black, would create a
"racial contract" between Black and Hispanic Democrats "and that can't
happen." Upon initial reports, Cuomo denied the statement but later a
tape recording surfaced. Cuomo later dropped out of the race for
governor (source).

Lee P. Brown: Brown, Bill Clinton's former drug czar and Democrat
mayor of Houston, engaged in racist campaigning designed to suppress
Hispanic voter turnout during his 2001 reelection bid. Brown faced
challenger Orlando Sanchez, a Hispanic Republican who drew heavy
support from the Hispanic community during the general election. Two
weeks prior to the runoff, Brown's campaign printed racist signs
designed to intimidate Hispanic voters. The signs featured a
photograph of Sanchez and the words "Anti-Hispanic." The signs drew
harsh criticism from Hispanic leaders as their message was designed to
intimidate and confuse Hispanic voters. Around the same time the signs
were being used, Brown supporter and city councilman Carol Alvarado
made a series of racially charged attacks on Sanchez, implying a
desire to see the supression of Hispanic voter turnout in the runoff.
Brown staffers also went on record claiming that Sanchez was not a
true Hispanic. The racist anti-Hispanic undertones of Brown's
reelection bid were so great that liberal Democrat city councilman
John Castillo, himself Hispanic, retracted his endorsement of Brown in
disgust and became a Sanchez supporter in the final week of the
campaign. Following the harsh condemnation of the racist signs and
tactics, Brown purported that his campaign was removing them even
though many still lingered around Houston up until the election. When
election day came along, Brown placed more of the racist signs at
polling places, despite his claim to have stopped using them. The
large campaign billboard style election day signs featured, in
Spanish, the word "Danger!" on them followed by Sanchez's name with a
large red circle and slash through it. The signs identified the Brown
campaign as their owner on the bottom. Brown's racially charged
reelection effort barely squeeked by Sanchez on election day, winning
51% to 49% following a series of racially motivated advertisements in
which the Brown campaign appealed to the fear of black voters by
invoking images of the gruesome lynching death of James Byrd, Jr. and
by attempting to pit them against Hispanics. While Brown had the
audacity to declare himself a mayor for all people and all ethnicities
at his victory party, many in Houston fear the racial wounds inflicted
by his campaign will take years to heal.

Mary Frances Berry: Berry is the Democrat chair of the US Commission
on Civil Rights (USCCR). She purports herself to be an "independent"
in her political affiliation in order to hold her job on the civil
rights commission where partisan membership may not exceed 4 for
either party, but is in fact a dedicated liberal Democrat who openly
supported Al Gore for president and has given a total of $20,000 in
personal contributions to the Democrat Party, Al Gore for President,
and other Democrat candidates over the last decade. Berry is an open
racist who is affiliated with the far-left Pacifica radio network, a
group with ties to black nationalist causes. Berry once stated "Civil
rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do
not apply to them," indicating that she believes the USCCR should only
look out for civil rights violations against persons of certain select
skin colors.

Billy McKinney: Former Democrat State Representative Billy McKinney of
Georgia, who is also the father of former Democrat congresswoman
Cynthia McKinney of the same state. During his daughter's failed 2002
reelection bid, McKinney appeared on television where he blamed his
daughter's difficulties on a Jewish conspiracy. McKinney unleashed a
string of anti-semitic sentiments, stating "This is all about the
Jews" and spelling out "J-E-W-S." McKinney lost his own seat in a
runoff a few weeks later.

The Democrat Party and the Ku Klux Klan: Aside from the multiple Klan
members who have served in elected capacity within the high ranks of
the Democrat Party, the political party itself has a lengthy but often
overlooked history of involvement with the Ku Klux Klan. Though it has
been all but forgotten by the media, the Democrat National Convention
of 1924 was host to one of the largest Klan gatherings in American
history. Dubbed the "Klanbake convention" at the time, the 1924
Democrat National Convention in New York was dominated by a platform
dispute surrounding the Ku Klux Klan. A minority of the delegates to
the convention attempted to condemn the hate group in the party's
platform, but found their proposal shot down by Klan supporters within
the party. As delegates inside the convention voted in the Klan's
favor, the Klan itself mobilized a celebratory rally outside. On July
4, 1924 one of the largest Klan gatherings ever occurred outside the
convention on a field in nearby New Jersey. The event was marked by
speakers spewing racial hatred, celebrations of their platform victory
in the Democrat Convention, and ended in a cross burning.

II. Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Movement:

A little known fact of history involves the heavy opposition to the
civil rights movement by several prominent Democrats. Similar
historical neglect is given to the important role Republicans played
in supporting the civil rights movement. A calculation of 26 major
civil rights votes from 1933 through the 1960's civil rights era shows
that Republicans favored civil rights in approximately 96% of the
votes, whereas the Democrats opposed them in 80% of the votes! These
facts are often intentionally overlooked by the left wing Democrats
for obvious reasons. In some cases, the Democrats have told flat out
lies about their shameful record during the civil rights movement.

Democrat Senators organized the record Senate filibuster of the Civil
Rights Act of 1964. Included among the organizers were several
prominent and well known liberal Democrat standard bearers including:
- Robert Byrd, current senator from West Virginia - J. William
Fulbright, Arkansas senator and political mentor of Bill Clinton -
Albert Gore Sr., Tennessee senator, father and political mentor of Al
Gore. Gore Jr. has been known to lie about his father's opposition to
the Civil Rights Act. - Sam Ervin, North Carolina senator of Watergate
hearings fame - Richard Russell, famed Georgia senator and later
President Pro Tempore

The complete list of the 21 Democrats who opposed the Civil Rights Act
of 1964 includes Senators:

- Hill and Sparkman of Alabama - Fulbright and McClellan of Arkansas -
Holland and Smathers of Florida - Russell and Talmadge of Georgia -
Ellender and Long of Louisiana - Eastland and Stennis of Mississippi -
Ervin and Jordan of North Carolina - Johnston and Thurmond of South
Carolina - Gore Sr. and Walters of Tennessee - H. Byrd and Robertson
of Virginia - R. Byrd of West Virginia

Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Act was substantial enough to
literally split the party in two. A whopping 40% of the House
Democrats VOTED AGAINST the Civil Rights Act, while 80% of Republicans
SUPPORTED it. Republican support in the Senate was even higher.
Similar trends occurred with the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was
supported by 82% of House Republicans and 94% of Senate Republicans.
The same Democrat standard bearers took their normal racists stances,
this time with Senator Fulbright leading the opposition effort.

It took the hard work of Republican Senate Minority Leader Everett
Dirksen and Republican Whip Thomas Kuchel to pass the Civil Rights Act
(Dirksen was presented a civil rights accomplishment award for the
year by the head of the NAACP in recognition of his efforts). Upon
breaking the Democrat filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act,
Republican Dirksen took to the Senate floor and exclaimed "The time
has come for equality of opportunity in sharing in government, in
education, and in employment. It will not be stayed or denied. It is
here!" (Full text of speech). Sadly, Democrats and revisionist
historians have all but forgotten (and intentionally so) that it was
Republican Dirksen, not the divided Democrats, who made the Civil
Rights Act a reality. Dirksen also broke the Democrat filibuster of
the 1957 Civil Rights Act that was signed by Republican President
Eisenhower.

Outside of Congress, the three most notorious opponents of school
integration were all Democrats: - Orval Faubus, Democrat Governor of
Arkansas and one of Bill Clinton's political heroes - George Wallace,
Democrat Governor of Alabama - Lester Maddox, Democrat Governor of
Georgia

The most famous of the school desegregation standoffs involved
Governor Faubus. Democrat Faubus used police and state forces to block
the integration of a high school in Little Rock, Arkansas. The
standoff was settled and the school was integrated only after the
intervention of Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Even the Democrat Party organization resisted integration and refused
to allow minority participation for decades. Exclusion of minorities
was the general rule of the Democrat Party of many states for decades,
especially in Texas. This racist policy reached its peak under the New
Deal in the southern and western states, often known as the New Deal
Coalition region of FDR. The Supreme Court in Nixon v. Herndon
declared the practice of "white primaries" unconstitutional in 1927
after states had passed laws barring Blacks from participating in
Democrat primaries. But the Democrat Parties did not yield to the
Court’s order. After Nixon v. Herndon, Democrats simply made rules
within the party's individual executive committees to bar minorities
from participating, which were struck down in Nixon v. Condon in 1932.
The Democrats, in typical racist fashion, responded by using state
parties to pass rules barring blacks from participation. This decision
was upheld in Grovey v. Townsend, which was not overturned until 1944
by Smith v. Allwright. The Texas Democrats responded with their usual
ploys and turned to what was known as the "Jaybird system" which used
private Democrat clubs to hold white-only votes on a slate of
candidates, which were then transferred to the Democrat party itself
and put on their primary ballot as the only choices. Terry v. Adams
overturned the Jaybird system, prompting the Democrats to institute
blocks of unit rule voting procedures as well as the infamous literacy
tests and other Jim Crow regulations to specifically block minorities
from participating in their primaries. In the end, it took 4 direct
Supreme Court orders to end the Democrat's "white primary" system, and
after that it took countless additional orders, several acts of
Congress, and a constitutional amendment to tear down the Jim Crow
codes that preserved the Democrat's white primary for decades beyond
the final Supreme Court order ruling it officially unconstitutional.

Hispanics in South Texas were treated especially poorly by the
Democrat Party, which relied heavily on a system of political bosses
to coerce and intimidate Hispanics into voting for Democrat primary
candidates of choice. Though coercion is illegal, this system, known
as the Patron system, is still in use to this day by local Democrat
parties in some heavy Hispanic communities of the southwest.

The next time Democrats take to the national airwaves to dishonestly
accuse Republicans of racial hatred, remember who the historical
record up until this very day points to as the real bigots: The
Democrat Party. In all possible ways, the Democrat Party is built
around the pillars of ultra leftists, many of whom are known
participants in racism and/or affiliates of racist hate groups.
Consider the Democrat Party of today's heroes and leaders:

- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Democrat icon and orchestrator of
Japanese Internment - Ex-House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, former
affiliate of a St. Louis area racist group - Ex-Senate President Pro
Tempore Robert Byrd, former Ku Klux Klansman known for making bigoted
slurs on national television - Rev. Jesse Jackson, Democrat keynote
speaker and race hustler known for making anti-Semitic slurs - Rev. Al
Sharpten, Democrat activist and perennial candidate and race hustler
known inciting anti-Semitic violence in New York City - Sen. Ernest
Hollings, leading Democrat Senator known for use of racial slurs
against several minority groups - Lee P. Brown, former Clinton cabinet
official and Democrat mayor of Houston who won reelection using racial
intimidation against Hispanic voters - Andrew Cuomo, former Clinton
cabinet official and Democrat candidate for NY Governor who made
racist statements about a black opponent. - Dan Rather, Democrat CBS
news anchor and editorialist known for using anti-black racial
epithets on a national radio broadcast - Donna Brazile, former Gore
campaign manager known for making anti-white racial attacks. Brazile
has also worked for Jackson, Gephardt, and Michael Dukakis

The simple truth is that the Democrat Party's history during this
century is one closely aligned to bigotry in a record stemming largely
out of the liberal New Deal era up until the modern day. Bigots are at
the center of the Democrat party's current leadership and role models.
And in a striking display of hypocrisy, many of the same Democrats who
dishonestly shout accusations of "bigotry" at conservatives are
practicing bigots of the most disgusting and disreputable kind
themselves.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
VV
Jaye Elke
2006-12-23 05:00:07 UTC
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Whether its normal or not, its none of your business.
Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
http://www.citizenlink.org/fnif/A000003454.cfm
The lecture didn't settle well with the third grade students, or
their parents.
During a recent discussion about families in a Newton, Massachusetts
public school, a third-grade student spoke up and said "some men like
to become women." The teacher, then, affirmed 8-year-old pupils that
transgenderism is a viable option for some.
Parents were understandably upset with the teacher and the school. Tom
Mountain with the Newton Tab says the teacher's disclosure was more
than just a political option for the children.
"Parents were remarking that they had nightmares at night, they
couldn't sleep. One little girl told her mother that she was scared
that her little sister could turn into a boy. Other kids expressed to
the parents that their daddies could become women and they still want
to keep their daddies."
But, Newton educators dismissed the concerns and explained that the
class discussion was a "teachable moment," meaning they don't
have to inform parents or apologize for covering such disturbing
topics. Brian Camenker with Mass Resistance says some parents are
pulling their kids out of school because of the mindset that what kids
learn is none of the parents' business.
"That attitude is just horrific, I'm sure it has a lot to do with
the gay marriage issue going on in Massachusetts and we've seen it
around the state, but it's getting worse."
One parent is suing Newton Schools over its pro-homosexual curriculum.
Camenker says it could happen in your state.
"I think people around the country need to understand that this is
going to happen to them. It's not going to stop in Massachusetts and
they need to start getting active."
He says the last thing you want your local educators to do is tell your
child that transgenderism is normal.
âlant.org
2006-12-23 08:09:47 UTC
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Post by Jaye Elke
Whether its normal or not, its none of your business.
Of course you would say that. As a homosexual you want open an open
season to prey on children.
Post by Jaye Elke
Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
Bob Roberts
2006-12-23 08:10:26 UTC
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Post by Jaye Elke
Whether its normal or not, its none of your business.
That's what I thought of Bush, when he walked with Saudi Prince Abdullah;
holding his hand.

But, what do I know about Gay couples and their relationships?
Roy
2006-12-23 20:10:11 UTC
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Post by Bob Roberts
Post by Jaye Elke
Whether its normal or not, its none of your business.
That's what I thought of Bush, when he walked with Saudi
Prince Abdullah; holding his hand.
But, what do I know about Gay couples and their relationships?
Did you idiots know that Saudi Prince Abdullah was practically
blind at the time that President Bush led him by the hand?
Ermine Todd III
2006-12-23 20:40:05 UTC
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Post by Bob Roberts
Post by Jaye Elke
Whether its normal or not, its none of your business.
That's what I thought of Bush, when he walked with Saudi Prince Abdullah;
holding his hand.
But, what do I know about Gay couples and their relationships?
Did you idiots know that Saudi Prince Abdullah was practically blind at
the time that President Bush led him by the hand?
That's right - ignore the evidence; believe whatever rationalization you
need to keep yourself from having to face reality. Oh, and BTW, did you
ever get an answer on exactly what Jeff "Gannon" Guckert was doing those
nights he stayed over in the Whitehouse?
âlant.org
2006-12-24 07:53:53 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:40:05 GMT, "Ermine Todd III"
Post by Ermine Todd III
Post by Bob Roberts
Post by Jaye Elke
Whether its normal or not, its none of your business.
That's what I thought of Bush, when he walked with Saudi Prince Abdullah;
holding his hand.
But, what do I know about Gay couples and their relationships?
Did you idiots know that Saudi Prince Abdullah was practically blind at
the time that President Bush led him by the hand?
That's right - ignore the evidence; believe whatever rationalization you
need to keep yourself from having to face reality. Oh, and BTW, did you
ever get an answer on exactly what Jeff "Gannon" Guckert was doing those
nights he stayed over in the Whitehouse?
Guess, here's a hint; Two homosexual democratic Congressmen have
Whitehouse passes. Harry Waxman is one of them. The other let his
heart throb and ass fuck run a male whorehouse out of his Washington
apartment.
Ermine Todd III
2006-12-24 16:12:47 UTC
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Post by âlant.org
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:40:05 GMT, "Ermine Todd III"
Post by Ermine Todd III
Post by Bob Roberts
Post by Jaye Elke
Whether its normal or not, its none of your business.
That's what I thought of Bush, when he walked with Saudi Prince Abdullah;
holding his hand.
But, what do I know about Gay couples and their relationships?
Did you idiots know that Saudi Prince Abdullah was practically blind at
the time that President Bush led him by the hand?
That's right - ignore the evidence; believe whatever rationalization you
need to keep yourself from having to face reality. Oh, and BTW, did you
ever get an answer on exactly what Jeff "Gannon" Guckert was doing those
nights he stayed over in the Whitehouse?
Guess, here's a hint; Two homosexual democratic Congressmen have
Whitehouse passes. Harry Waxman is one of them. The other let his
heart throb and ass fuck run a male whorehouse out of his Washington
apartment.
Irrelevant and non-responsive. The fact that congressmen have some level of
access to the Whitehouse is totally unrelated to why a male prostitute was
repeatedly given a non-permanent "press" pass (thereby avoiding extended
security checks but which required that a senior staffer personally sign him
in each time) and why on numerous occasions can be demonstrated to have
stayed overnight at the Whitehouse - times when there was no press meeting
in fact.
Sam Brown
2006-12-24 17:16:30 UTC
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Post by Ermine Todd III
Irrelevant and non-responsive.
Summed yourself up in 2 words.
Larry (Scratch)
2006-12-23 20:57:42 UTC
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Post by Bob Roberts
Post by Jaye Elke
Whether its normal or not, its none of your business.
That's what I thought of Bush, when he walked with Saudi Prince
Abdullah; holding his hand.
But, what do I know about Gay couples and their relationships?
Did you idiots know that Saudi Prince Abdullah was practically blind at
the time that President Bush led him by the hand?
Remember Roy you are talking to debased people and this is a great
example of how their collective minds work.
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan


http://www.highvolumemedia.com/thebullhorn/WarOnTerror/ClintonsFailures/

\"POLITICIANS & DIAPERS NEED TO BE
CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON\"
Ermine Todd III
2006-12-24 03:26:16 UTC
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Post by Bob Roberts
Post by Jaye Elke
Whether its normal or not, its none of your business.
That's what I thought of Bush, when he walked with Saudi Prince
Abdullah; holding his hand.
But, what do I know about Gay couples and their relationships?
Did you idiots know that Saudi Prince Abdullah was practically blind at
the time that President Bush led him by the hand?
Remember Roy you are talking to debased people and this is a great example
of how their collective minds work.
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
Drivel. Is it any wonder that Scratch has taken to quoting a senile,
oath-breaking, Alzheimer ridden, American betraying coot?
Sam Brown
2006-12-24 05:18:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ermine Todd III
Post by Bob Roberts
Post by Jaye Elke
Whether its normal or not, its none of your business.
That's what I thought of Bush, when he walked with Saudi Prince
Abdullah; holding his hand.
But, what do I know about Gay couples and their relationships?
Did you idiots know that Saudi Prince Abdullah was practically blind at
the time that President Bush led him by the hand?
Remember Roy you are talking to debased people and this is a great example
of how their collective minds work.
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
Drivel. Is it any wonder that Scratch has taken to quoting a senile,
oath-breaking, Alzheimer ridden, American betraying coot?
It'd be nice to see you run over by a truck.
Peter White
2006-12-24 05:21:00 UTC
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Sam Brown wrote:


Did Ronald Reagan wear you?
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Ermine Todd III
Post by Larry (Scratch)
Post by Bob Roberts
Post by Jaye Elke
Whether its normal or not, its none of your business.
That's what I thought of Bush, when he walked with Saudi Prince
Abdullah; holding his hand.
But, what do I know about Gay couples and their relationships?
Did you idiots know that Saudi Prince Abdullah was practically blind
at the time that President Bush led him by the hand?
Remember Roy you are talking to debased people and this is a great
example of how their collective minds work.
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
Drivel. Is it any wonder that Scratch has taken to quoting a senile,
oath-breaking, Alzheimer ridden, American betraying coot?
It'd be nice to see you run over by a truck.
Sam Brown
2006-12-24 05:29:27 UTC
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Post by Peter White
Did Ronald Reagan wear you?
Did your positive jumper cable come loose?
Peter White
2006-12-24 05:31:45 UTC
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Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Did Ronald Reagan wear you?
Did your positive jumper cable come loose?
By god you're right, that explains the sparks. Oh well now I'll get
started.
Sam Brown
2006-12-24 05:37:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Did Ronald Reagan wear you?
Did your positive jumper cable come loose?
By god you're right, that explains the sparks. Oh well now I'll get
started.
On the road to ruin.
Peter White
2006-12-24 05:44:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Did Ronald Reagan wear you?
Did your positive jumper cable come loose?
By god you're right, that explains the sparks. Oh well now I'll get
started.
On the road to ruin.
if thats the road I'm on I may as well visit Notre Dame cathedral,
Sam Brown
2006-12-24 05:47:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Did Ronald Reagan wear you?
Did your positive jumper cable come loose?
By god you're right, that explains the sparks. Oh well now I'll get
started.
On the road to ruin.
if thats the road I'm on I may as well visit Notre Dame cathedral,
I'd point you toward Rheems first...
Peter White
2006-12-24 05:55:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Did Ronald Reagan wear you?
Did your positive jumper cable come loose?
By god you're right, that explains the sparks. Oh well now I'll get
started.
On the road to ruin.
if thats the road I'm on I may as well visit Notre Dame cathedral,
I'd point you toward Rheems first...
I don't need that much paper
Sam Brown
2006-12-24 05:56:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Did Ronald Reagan wear you?
Did your positive jumper cable come loose?
By god you're right, that explains the sparks. Oh well now I'll
get started.
On the road to ruin.
if thats the road I'm on I may as well visit Notre Dame cathedral,
I'd point you toward Rheems first...
I don't need that much paper
The bell tolls for thee....
Peter White
2006-12-24 06:03:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Did Ronald Reagan wear you?
Did your positive jumper cable come loose?
By god you're right, that explains the sparks. Oh well now I'll
get started.
On the road to ruin.
if thats the road I'm on I may as well visit Notre Dame cathedral,
I'd point you toward Rheems first...
I don't need that much paper
The bell tolls for thee....
Are you suggesting that just because I have trouble making up my mind
that I take the Hemmingway?
Sam Brown
2006-12-24 06:32:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Did Ronald Reagan wear you?
Did your positive jumper cable come loose?
By god you're right, that explains the sparks. Oh well now I'll
get started.
On the road to ruin.
if thats the road I'm on I may as well visit Notre Dame cathedral,
I'd point you toward Rheems first...
I don't need that much paper
The bell tolls for thee....
Are you suggesting that just because I have trouble making up my mind
that I take the Hemmingway?
I'd say the absinthe alone makes Adano worth mourning...mule carts and
all...
Peter White
2006-12-24 15:26:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Did Ronald Reagan wear you?
Did your positive jumper cable come loose?
By god you're right, that explains the sparks. Oh well now I'll
get started.
On the road to ruin.
if thats the road I'm on I may as well visit Notre Dame cathedral,
I'd point you toward Rheems first...
I don't need that much paper
The bell tolls for thee....
Are you suggesting that just because I have trouble making up my mind
that I take the Hemmingway?
I'd say the absinthe alone makes Adano worth mourning...mule carts and
all...
Surely you heard that 'absinthe make the fart go "Honda". '
Peter White
2006-12-24 15:31:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Post by Sam Brown
Post by Peter White
Did Ronald Reagan wear you?
Did your positive jumper cable come loose?
By god you're right, that explains the sparks. Oh well now I'll
get started.
On the road to ruin.
if thats the road I'm on I may as well visit Notre Dame cathedral,
I'd point you toward Rheems first...
I don't need that much paper
The bell tolls for thee....
Are you suggesting that just because I have trouble making up my mind
that I take the Hemmingway?
I'd say the absinthe alone makes Adano worth mourning...mule carts and
all...
Uncle, I'm out of my league, but Adano does ring a bell.
Lobby Dosser
2006-12-24 06:04:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ermine Todd III
Post by Larry (Scratch)
Post by Bob Roberts
Post by Jaye Elke
Whether its normal or not, its none of your business.
That's what I thought of Bush, when he walked with Saudi Prince
Abdullah; holding his hand.
But, what do I know about Gay couples and their relationships?
Did you idiots know that Saudi Prince Abdullah was practically blind
at the time that President Bush led him by the hand?
Remember Roy you are talking to debased people and this is a great
example of how their collective minds work.
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
Drivel. Is it any wonder that Scratch has taken to quoting a senile,
oath-breaking, Alzheimer ridden, American betraying coot?
Which one?
Larry (Scratch)
2006-12-23 07:00:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
Which is what the left lack. It's part of their sickness.
--
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan


http://www.highvolumemedia.com/thebullhorn/WarOnTerror/ClintonsFailures/

\"POLITICIANS & DIAPERS NEED TO BE
CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON\"
Bob Roberts
2006-12-23 07:15:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Larry (Scratch)
Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
Which is what the left lack. It's part of their sickness.
Indeed. Being progressive is their downfall!

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to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
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John McKay
2006-12-23 23:05:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Larry (Scratch)
Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
Which is what the left lack. It's part of their sickness.
Care to explain the Log Cabin Republicans. Or is that the dirty little
secret you would prefer to keep hidden in the closet?
Peter White
2006-12-23 23:29:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by John McKay
Post by Larry (Scratch)
Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
Which is what the left lack. It's part of their sickness.
Care to explain the Log Cabin Republicans. Or is that the dirty little
secret you would prefer to keep hidden in the closet?
Not that the public school hasn't been at this for a long time.
Years and years ago, too long to mention, when I was in school it was
implied, nay, stated that left handness was normal.
What will they be pushing next? Brotherhood ..... too horrible to think
about.
âlant.org
2006-12-24 08:11:52 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:29:10 GMT, Peter White
Post by Peter White
Post by John McKay
Post by Larry (Scratch)
Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
Which is what the left lack. It's part of their sickness.
Care to explain the Log Cabin Republicans. Or is that the dirty little
secret you would prefer to keep hidden in the closet?
Not that the public school hasn't been at this for a long time.
Years and years ago, too long to mention, when I was in school it was
implied, nay, stated that left handness was normal.
What will they be pushing next? Brotherhood ..... too horrible to think
about.
RED HERRING ALERT! Everyone out of the water.
âlant.org
2006-12-24 08:05:26 UTC
Permalink
On 23 Dec 2006 15:05:11 -0800, "John McKay"
Post by John McKay
Post by Larry (Scratch)
Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
Which is what the left lack. It's part of their sickness.
Care to explain the Log Cabin Republicans. Or is that the dirty little
secret you would prefer to keep hidden in the closet?
So you agree that homosexuality is a "dirty little secret" regardless
of the political affiliation.
guyjin
2006-12-23 07:27:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by J Young
During a recent discussion about families in a Newton, Massachusetts
public school, a third-grade student spoke up and said "some men like
to become women." The teacher, then, affirmed 8-year-old pupils that
transgenderism is a viable option for some.
So parents are upset because a teacher told the truth?

No wonder this 'intelligent design' crap is getting so far into
schools...
Bob Roberts
2006-12-23 07:41:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by guyjin
Post by J Young
During a recent discussion about families in a Newton, Massachusetts
public school, a third-grade student spoke up and said "some men like
to become women." The teacher, then, affirmed 8-year-old pupils that
transgenderism is a viable option for some.
So parents are upset because a teacher told the truth?
No wonder this 'intelligent design' crap is getting so far into
schools...
Today is Festivus. December 23rd.

Let us all bow down and celebrate:
a.. The Festivus Pole
a.. The Festivus Dinner
a.. The Airing of Grievances
a.. The Feats of Strength
a.. and: The Festivus Miracle!
Although it is not an official element of the holiday or its celebration, the
phenomenon of the Festivus Miracle is mentioned twice in the original episode,
both times occurring in the Costanza household, and both declared by Kramer.

Miracle #1;

Betting Shop Guy: Hello again, Miss Benes.
Elaine Benes: What are you doing here?
Betting Shop Guy: Damndest thing. Me and Charlie were calling to ask you out,
and, uh, we got this bagel place.
Cosmo Kramer: I told them I was just about to see you. It's a Festivus
Miracle!
Miracle #2;

Gwen: Jerry!
Jerry Seinfeld: Gwen! How did you know I was here?
Gwen: Kramer told me!
Cosmo Kramer: Another Festivus Miracle!!
Kramer enthusiastically declared both of these occasions "Festivus miracle(s)!",
although as the above instances prove, the "Festivus Miracle" seems to be
nothing more than a mere coincidence, rather than an actual miracle, and rarely
beneficial to one's friends (Elaine was trying to avoid the betting shop guys,
and Jerry didn't want Gwen thinking he was cheating on her). If anything, it is
a reference to finding Christmas miracles.


[edit] Etymology and origin
âlant.org
2006-12-23 08:14:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by guyjin
Post by J Young
During a recent discussion about families in a Newton, Massachusetts
public school, a third-grade student spoke up and said "some men like
to become women." The teacher, then, affirmed 8-year-old pupils that
transgenderism is a viable option for some.
So parents are upset because a teacher told the truth?
No wonder this 'intelligent design' crap is getting so far into
schools...
And of course you homosexuals would also support telling children that
a 12 year old boy having sex with an adult man is a "viable option
for some."
Parsifal
2006-12-23 08:24:45 UTC
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Parsifal
2006-12-24 09:28:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by âlant.org
Post by guyjin
Post by J Young
During a recent discussion about families in a Newton, Massachusetts
public school, a third-grade student spoke up and said "some men like
to become women." The teacher, then, affirmed 8-year-old pupils that
transgenderism is a viable option for some.
So parents are upset because a teacher told the truth?
No wonder this 'intelligent design' crap is getting so far into
schools...
And of course you homosexuals would also support telling children that
a 12 year old boy having sex with an adult man is a "viable option
for some."
Hey, shithead, I dare you to find in this discussion group ONE example
of any of us supporting pedophilia. You're the one coming with these
ideas (you and gaybob actually), and you're the one fantasizing about
it. That makes you the pedophile...
No, preying on adolescent boys is a trait most common among male
homosexuals.
Oh, and heterosexual males never prey on adolescent girls? Most cases
of incest are made by male heterosexual on their daughters. Is incest
then a heterosexual thing?
Get out of the closet. Now.
Dionisio
2006-12-24 22:30:24 UTC
Permalink
Juan Vallejo Corona:
A heterosexual Mexican labor contractor who operated in Northern
California, beginning in the 1950s, was charged with hacking twenty-five
men to death; Though there are indications that there were several more
whose bodies were never found. All his known victims were American
migrant workers, buried on the north side of trees, with their arms
placed above their heads in a seemingly ritualistic fashion.

Behram:
The most prolific of the world's murderers died over 150 years ago. His
name was Behram, and he strangled at least 931 people between 1790 and
1840. He was a member of the infamous Thuggee religion of India. (The
Thuggees murdered and robbed people to show devotion to Kali, Goddess of
Destruction.) He operated in and near Oudh, India.

Elizabeth Bathori:
The title holder of the Western World's "Most People Murdered Award"
goes to a woman: Elizabeth Bathori, of Transylvania. The exact number is
not known, but she is alleged to have murdered over 600 girls and young
women in order to "preserve her youth." (She would drink and bathe in
their blood.) When the public learned of her activities, in 1610, she
was walled up in her home; where she died in 1614.

Teofilo Rojas:
Title holder for the 20th century is Teofilo "Sparks" Rojas, a bandit
leader from Columbia. He is said to have killed between 592 and 3,500
people from 1945 until he was killed in an ambush on January 22nd, 1963.

Wou Bom-kon:
The largest mass killing (to date) which was carried out by one person
occurred in April of 1982, when policeman Wou Bom-kon went on a rampage
in the Kyong Sang-namdo Province of South Korea. He killed 57 and
injured 35 with a rifle and hand grenades over an eight hour period
before blowing himself up.

Pedro Lopez:
In the realm of "recent" serial killers, the man to beat would be Pedro
Lopez. He killed 300 girls in Columbia, Peru and Ecuador. The "Monster
of the Andes" was sentenced to life in prison in 1980 by an Ecuadoran
court.

Delfina and Maria de Jesus:
Among the more "profit minded" murderers we find the Mexican sisters
Delfina and Maria de Jesus Gonzales. They were sentenced to 40 years
imprisonment in 1964. Their crime? Murdering at least 90 girls whom they
abducted to work in brothels. The two formed the most prolific "murder
partnership" known.

Jane Toppan:
She was a nurse who conducted "mercy killings" for over 20 years until
she confessed her guilt in 1902. She gave between 30 and 100 patients
lethal doses of morphine or atropine. She was committed to a mental
institution.

<>We could go on and on...
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:

"Why should straights be the only ones to have their unenforceable promises to love, honor, and cherish trap them like houseflies in the web of the law? Marriage will not only open up to gay men and lesbians whole new vistas of guilt, frustration, claustrophobia, bewilderment, declining self-esteem, unfairness and sorrow, it will offer them the opportunity to prolong this misery by tormenting each other in court. ... Clearly something about marriage drives a lot of people around the bend. Why shouldn't some of those people be gay?"
-- Katha Pollitt, April 29, 1996 issue of _The Nation_

(Brought to you by SigChanger. http://www.phranc.nl)
JEM
2006-12-23 12:45:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by âlant.org
Post by guyjin
Post by J Young
During a recent discussion about families in a Newton, Massachusetts
public school, a third-grade student spoke up and said "some men like
to become women." The teacher, then, affirmed 8-year-old pupils that
transgenderism is a viable option for some.
So parents are upset because a teacher told the truth?
No wonder this 'intelligent design' crap is getting so far into
schools...
And of course you homosexuals would also support telling children that
a 12 year old boy having sex with an adult man is a "viable option
for some."
Fundy homophobic pricks like bibon the moron endorse killing infidels
and homosexuals, to purify the world. Any means necessary, gawd'll
sort'em out- right fuckhead bibon?
JEM
2006-12-24 12:35:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by JEM
Post by âlant.org
Post by guyjin
Post by J Young
During a recent discussion about families in a Newton, Massachusetts
public school, a third-grade student spoke up and said "some men like
to become women." The teacher, then, affirmed 8-year-old pupils that
transgenderism is a viable option for some.
So parents are upset because a teacher told the truth?
No wonder this 'intelligent design' crap is getting so far into
schools...
And of course you homosexuals would also support telling children that
a 12 year old boy having sex with an adult man is a "viable option
for some."
Fundy homophobic pricks like bibon the moron endorse killing infidels
and homosexuals, to purify the world. Any means necessary, gawd'll
sort'em out- right fuckhead bibon?
Homosexuality among Serial Killers: Statistics;
---------------------------------------------------------------
Although the proportion of serial killers who are known to have had
homosexual experience is high (over 43%), the total number of serial
killers is too small to make statistically relevant statements about
whether homosexuals are over- or under-represented among serial
killers. [Click here for source, related studies and statistics.]
{{the hyperlink above goes to the study quoted by bibon]]


Given that less than 2% of adults are homosexuals (plus 1 to 2% who
are bisexual), there would not need to be very many homosexuals among
the total number of serial killers for them to be over-represented.
But with such small overall numbers, and with no universally agreed
upon definition of a homosexual, it would be impossible to determine
the relative frequency of homosexuals among serial killers. Unlike
gender and race (clearly ascertainable), there are no physical or
genetic tests for sexual orientation. It can only be determined by
behavior and self-identification.

http://www.adherents.com/misc/hsk.html


The statistics regarding serial killers worldwide is sketchy, some
countries have less ability to detect and catch, some have better
reporting, some suppress information, etc.

How many of the known serial killers were members of a religion?
Why does the USA, clearly a christian nation, seem to have so many?
Why is it that religious fundamentalists pick on minorities and blame
them for so many of the problems?
Why do religious zealots have such deep phobias?
It seems you have a hard time seeing plain realities, like your god
existing only in your mind for instance.
âlant.org
2006-12-25 07:48:53 UTC
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Post by JEM
How many of the known serial killers were members of a religion?
Why does the USA, clearly a christian nation, seem to have so many?
Why is it that religious fundamentalists pick on minorities and blame
them for so many of the problems?
Why do religious zealots have such deep phobias?
It seems you have a hard time seeing plain realities, like your god
existing only in your mind for instance.
Because we have a number of homosexuals serial killers who are
closeted.
guyjin
2006-12-23 20:00:34 UTC
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âlant.org
2006-12-24 07:48:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Katie Lynn
Post by âlant.org
And of course you homosexuals
wrong.
Post by âlant.org
would also support telling children that
a 12 year old boy having sex with an adult man is a "viable option
for some."
yes, because raping a child is exactly like wearing the clothing of the
opposite gender.
Heterosexuals don't have sex with their same gender. Homosexuals do.
Didn't you know that?
Syd M.
2006-12-23 08:23:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
You transcend the boundery of decency and commen sense everyday,
JerkYoung.
Whatchagonna do about it?
Post by J Young
http://www.citizenlink.org/fnif/A000003454.cfm
<Snip propoganda>

PDW
Parsifal
2006-12-23 08:27:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
Another Friday night alone, J Young? Time for your usual weird sexual
fantasies?
Oh, and btw, your mere existence trancends the boudries of decency and
commen sense. Do you plan to do anything at all about it or do you
intend the remain the same piece of shit in 2007?
Bob Roberts
2006-12-23 08:48:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
And yet, you still fail.

Where is your degree in Christian theology?

What makes you so "special"?

What Religion are you from?
My background probably puts me ahead of your notions.

You're an idiot.
Katie Lynn
2006-12-23 15:14:07 UTC
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North dons its gay apparel

By David Ertischek / Staff Writer
Newton Tab Newspaper, Newton, MA
Tuesday, December 16, 2003

Usually at 7:50 on a high school morning, sleepy faces struggle to keep
their heads up. But last Wednesday at the Newton North Little Theatre, all
eyes were focused on four speakers leading a panel titled "Life Outside the
Gender Norm."
The panel was one of six events occurring during Newton North's Annual
Transgender, Bisexual, Gay and Lesbian Awareness Day, known as ToBGLAD Day.

ToBGLAD Day has sparked protest in the past from some Newton parents who
say they're not adequately informed about the day's events and that it puts
their children in uncomfortable situations.

But Newton North Principal Jennifer Huntington said that although agendas
for ToBGLAD are not sent out to parents beforehand, they are notified about
the day, and all other cultural awareness days, in a packet that is sent
out during the summer. Parents are told in the packet to send a note to
their child's housemaster if they do not want them to attend any of the
year's events.

Huntington said she received only one parental complaint about ToBGLAD Day
this year, no student complaints, and fielded some parental inquiries into
how their child could be excused. She said she did not know how many
students chose to not attend the day's activities.

"I think it's odd that other schools don't have gay or straight alliance
groups," said Huntington. "My fundamental belief for education is that you
need to be safe and comfortable. And if you have people calling you names
while walking down the hall, you're not going to feel safe."

But Mary Clossey, parent of a Newton North student who has been a prominent
critic of ToBGLAD Day and has attended the event for the past five years,
said that although she thought this year's ToBGLAD was run better than in
years past, she said the event should be held after school or on the
weekend, because it is sponsored by an extra-curricular club.

"Social clubs should be after school," she said. "And I would like a notice
[of the agenda] sent out to parents. I don't think that's wrong."

Huntington said that she doesn't send out agendas for other cultural days
such as those sponsored by the Asian culture club, the Jewish culture club
or the Black Leadership Association. Because events are held in the Little
Theatre, which sits only 175 students, attendance of each event is on a
first-come, first-serve basis.

At one of the seminars, former Newton North student Michael Greenspan spoke
about what it's like to be transgender, defined by the Gay Student
Alliance's literature as someone who is differently sexed, differently
gendered or anyone who transgresses gender norms.

Another panel presented what it's like to live in a family where one or
more family member is non-heterosexual. The panel also discussed the legal
challenges faced by lesbian and gay couples.

Father Walter Cuenin, a priest at Our Lady Help of Christian's Church in
Nonantum, and Rabbi Toba Spitzer from the Dorshei Tzedek Jewish
Congregation in West Newton, also led a discussion about how people of
different faiths deal with issues of sexual identity.

During his panel, Greenspan said he was raised as a girl, but always viewed
himself as a boy. He didn't want to wear dresses or play with dolls,
instead taking part in more traditionally masculine pastimes such as
playing with cars and watching sports.

It wasn't until Michael's freshman year at Newton North that he heard the
word transgender, and right away he knew that he fit that description.

"I thought to myself, 'Oh, my God, I can be a boy,'" said Michael, who
dresses like a man.

Michael described cutting his hair and seeing himself as a man for the
first time. " That was actually the first time I ever liked myself when I
looked in a mirror," he told students.

Michael, now 22, said he started taking testosterone at the age of 18 and
described the results as "fantastic" after hearing his voice deepen as he
went through a belated puberty. Michael added that he is soon to have chest
reconstruction surgery to remove his breasts, and said that he's looking
forward to be able to go swimming again.

Also on the panel to speak to students was Juleann, an intersexed person.
Formally called hermaphrodites, intersexed people are born with parts of
both male and female organs. Juleann was born internally as a male, and
half of Juleann's outside organs were female.

Juleann told the crowd of 200 about having surgery when she was three
months old, then at the age of 9 and once more at the of 17 to make her
look like a female.

According to Juleann, one out of 2,000 babies are born intersexed, the same
rate as those born with Down syndrome. Juleann added that most parents
choose to raise their intersexed child as a girl, "because it's easier to
be raised as a masculine female than a feminine male."

"You have no idea what type of phenomenal social crisis it causes," said
Juleann, who dresses like a woman. "My father was an educated man, but my
mother wanted it 'fixed' and had no tolerance for my male behaviors such as
playing with guns or building tree houses."

Juleann described her mother taking her to the doctor and telling the
physicians that Juleann was "mentally deranged," and that Juleann had a
sexual identity problem.

"The concept of gender is societal," said Juleann, 35. "How males should
act or females should act. My mom hid my sexual identity from me. All I
knew was that I was a female who liked male things."

It wasn't until the age of 30 that Juleann discovered her medical charts
after sneaking a peek when her physician left the room, at which time she
saw pictures of her body and were able to read her records and what had
occurred when she was younger.

After Juleann, Glen Klein, a drag performer and social worker, spoke to the
students, stressing that stereotypically "male" and "female" clothes,
colors and activities should be questioned.

"How come flannel is only for men and lesbian?" said Klein, which got a
great laugh from the crowd. "It's very satisfying walking down Newbury
Street wearing a three-piece sweater set in three-inch heals. And how come
blue is a male color and pink is a female color? I look great in pink."

Jodie Goldberg, a biology teacher at Newton North, said she took all of her
classes to the day's activities. She said that three out of about 75 of her
students chose to spend their class time at the library instead.

"I just really want to increase their knowledge, basically," said Goldberg.
"There's power in knowledge. I want them to make their decisions on
informed information."

Khalel Pritchard, 15, a sophomore from Boston, was one student who attended
the early morning panel.

"I learned a lot about how people are," said Pritchard. "How a gay person
or a different person might live their life. It's not as easy as it looks.
[ToBGLAD Day] gives a lot of people different perspectives about how gay
people are."

After the panel, Newton North students read original pieces about gay,
straight, transgender and lesbian issues. Some students recounted
witnessing homophobic incidents, while others talked about being an ally of
their gay friends.

Gwen Watson, 16, a co-officer of the Gay Student Alliance, who
characterizes herself as a "straight ally," talked about the day's events
while handing out pamphlets.

"We wanted to cover all the issues with homophobia to educate the students
at Newton North. Transgenderism, being a straight ally, different family
lifestyles. We wanted to have intersex speakers, a religious panel to
discuss the tension between religion and alternative lifestyles."

And for Watson, being a straight ally is very important to her life
considering that her twin sister, Margo, came out as a lesbian during their
freshman year.

"We used to compete for boys," smiled Gwen. "But now we still look at guys
together, and she'll look at girls, too. I'll offer my opinion. But one of
my reliefs was that I didn't need to compete with her [Margo] anymore for
boys."

The events were sponsored by the Newton North Gay/Straight Alliance, a club
supported by a grant from the Massachusetts Department of Education, whose
stated goals are to promote awareness and understanding of gay, lesbian,
bisexual issues and to combat homophobia within the school.

Copyright 2003 (c) Community Newspapers
bob&carole
2006-12-23 15:16:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Katie Lynn
North dons its gay apparel
By David Ertischek / Staff Writer
Newton Tab Newspaper, Newton, MA
Tuesday, December 16, 2003
Usually at 7:50 on a high school morning, sleepy faces struggle to keep
their heads up. But last Wednesday at the Newton North Little Theatre, all
eyes were focused on four speakers leading a panel titled "Life Outside the
Gender Norm."
The panel was one of six events occurring during Newton North's Annual
Transgender, Bisexual, Gay and Lesbian Awareness Day, known as ToBGLAD Day.
ToBGLAD Day has sparked protest in the past from some Newton parents who
say they're not adequately informed about the day's events and that it puts
their children in uncomfortable situations.
But Newton North Principal Jennifer Huntington said that although agendas
for ToBGLAD are not sent out to parents beforehand, they are notified about
the day, and all other cultural awareness days, in a packet that is sent
out during the summer. Parents are told in the packet to send a note to
their child's housemaster if they do not want them to attend any of the
year's events.
Huntington said she received only one parental complaint about ToBGLAD Day
this year, no student complaints, and fielded some parental inquiries into
how their child could be excused. She said she did not know how many
students chose to not attend the day's activities.
"I think it's odd that other schools don't have gay or straight alliance
groups," said Huntington. "My fundamental belief for education is that you
need to be safe and comfortable. And if you have people calling you names
while walking down the hall, you're not going to feel safe."
But Mary Clossey, parent of a Newton North student who has been a prominent
critic of ToBGLAD Day and has attended the event for the past five years,
said that although she thought this year's ToBGLAD was run better than in
years past, she said the event should be held after school or on the
weekend, because it is sponsored by an extra-curricular club.
"Social clubs should be after school," she said. "And I would like a notice
[of the agenda] sent out to parents. I don't think that's wrong."
Huntington said that she doesn't send out agendas for other cultural days
such as those sponsored by the Asian culture club, the Jewish culture club
or the Black Leadership Association. Because events are held in the Little
Theatre, which sits only 175 students, attendance of each event is on a
first-come, first-serve basis.
At one of the seminars, former Newton North student Michael Greenspan spoke
about what it's like to be transgender, defined by the Gay Student
Alliance's literature as someone who is differently sexed, differently
gendered or anyone who transgresses gender norms.
Another panel presented what it's like to live in a family where one or
more family member is non-heterosexual. The panel also discussed the legal
challenges faced by lesbian and gay couples.
Father Walter Cuenin, a priest at Our Lady Help of Christian's Church in
Nonantum, and Rabbi Toba Spitzer from the Dorshei Tzedek Jewish
Congregation in West Newton, also led a discussion about how people of
different faiths deal with issues of sexual identity.
During his panel, Greenspan said he was raised as a girl, but always viewed
himself as a boy. He didn't want to wear dresses or play with dolls,
instead taking part in more traditionally masculine pastimes such as
playing with cars and watching sports.
It wasn't until Michael's freshman year at Newton North that he heard the
word transgender, and right away he knew that he fit that description.
"I thought to myself, 'Oh, my God, I can be a boy,'" said Michael, who
dresses like a man.
Michael described cutting his hair and seeing himself as a man for the
first time. " That was actually the first time I ever liked myself when I
looked in a mirror," he told students.
Michael, now 22, said he started taking testosterone at the age of 18 and
described the results as "fantastic" after hearing his voice deepen as he
went through a belated puberty. Michael added that he is soon to have chest
reconstruction surgery to remove his breasts, and said that he's looking
forward to be able to go swimming again.
Also on the panel to speak to students was Juleann, an intersexed person.
Formally called hermaphrodites, intersexed people are born with parts of
both male and female organs. Juleann was born internally as a male, and
half of Juleann's outside organs were female.
What a freak!!!!
Post by Katie Lynn
Juleann told the crowd of 200 about having surgery when she was three
months old, then at the age of 9 and once more at the of 17 to make her
look like a female.
According to Juleann, one out of 2,000 babies are born intersexed, the same
rate as those born with Down syndrome. Juleann added that most parents
choose to raise their intersexed child as a girl, "because it's easier to
be raised as a masculine female than a feminine male."
"You have no idea what type of phenomenal social crisis it causes," said
Juleann, who dresses like a woman. "My father was an educated man, but my
mother wanted it 'fixed' and had no tolerance for my male behaviors such as
playing with guns or building tree houses."
Juleann described her mother taking her to the doctor and telling the
physicians that Juleann was "mentally deranged," and that Juleann had a
sexual identity problem.
"The concept of gender is societal," said Juleann, 35. "How males should
act or females should act. My mom hid my sexual identity from me. All I
knew was that I was a female who liked male things."
It wasn't until the age of 30 that Juleann discovered her medical charts
after sneaking a peek when her physician left the room, at which time she
saw pictures of her body and were able to read her records and what had
occurred when she was younger.
After Juleann, Glen Klein, a drag performer and social worker, spoke to the
students, stressing that stereotypically "male" and "female" clothes,
colors and activities should be questioned.
"How come flannel is only for men and lesbian?" said Klein, which got a
great laugh from the crowd. "It's very satisfying walking down Newbury
Street wearing a three-piece sweater set in three-inch heals. And how come
blue is a male color and pink is a female color? I look great in pink."
Jodie Goldberg, a biology teacher at Newton North, said she took all of her
classes to the day's activities. She said that three out of about 75 of her
students chose to spend their class time at the library instead.
"I just really want to increase their knowledge, basically," said Goldberg.
"There's power in knowledge. I want them to make their decisions on
informed information."
Khalel Pritchard, 15, a sophomore from Boston, was one student who attended
the early morning panel.
"I learned a lot about how people are," said Pritchard. "How a gay person
or a different person might live their life. It's not as easy as it looks.
[ToBGLAD Day] gives a lot of people different perspectives about how gay
people are."
After the panel, Newton North students read original pieces about gay,
straight, transgender and lesbian issues. Some students recounted
witnessing homophobic incidents, while others talked about being an ally of
their gay friends.
Gwen Watson, 16, a co-officer of the Gay Student Alliance, who
characterizes herself as a "straight ally," talked about the day's events
while handing out pamphlets.
"We wanted to cover all the issues with homophobia to educate the students
at Newton North. Transgenderism, being a straight ally, different family
lifestyles. We wanted to have intersex speakers, a religious panel to
discuss the tension between religion and alternative lifestyles."
And for Watson, being a straight ally is very important to her life
considering that her twin sister, Margo, came out as a lesbian during their
freshman year.
"We used to compete for boys," smiled Gwen. "But now we still look at guys
together, and she'll look at girls, too. I'll offer my opinion. But one of
my reliefs was that I didn't need to compete with her [Margo] anymore for
boys."
The events were sponsored by the Newton North Gay/Straight Alliance, a club
supported by a grant from the Massachusetts Department of Education, whose
stated goals are to promote awareness and understanding of gay, lesbian,
bisexual issues and to combat homophobia within the school.
Copyright 2003 (c) Community Newspapers
Martin Willett
2006-12-23 15:44:06 UTC
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A lot of people need to understand what liberalism and tolerance are
actually all about. There is no requirement for any liberally minded
person to celebrate and embrace with open arms everything that is not
strictly illegal. This message needs to be proclaimed loud and clear.

We no more have to accept transgenderism as "perfectly normal" than we
have to accept monster trucks, country music, Islam, dwarf-tossing,
astrology, adultery or Mormonism. People should not be told that they
have to pretend to like everything you don't intend to actively
persecute and prohibit. There is a middle way between persecution and
parading down the street to the compulsory acclaim of all. That middle
ground is toleration.

We shouldn't be taught to respect the transgendered, we should be taught
to respect people, their natures and their choices. Toleration and
respect are universals and should be taught as such. Teaching children
specifically to be tolerant of blacks, gypsies, homosexuals and the
transgendered is likely to be counter-productive in many cases as little
Johnny thinks to himself "we must be kind to Jews huh? Well I hadn't
thought about picking on Jews before but thanks for the tip-off."

--

Martin Willett


http://mwillett.org/
Roedy Green
2006-12-23 22:57:36 UTC
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Post by J Young
He says the last thing you want your local educators to do is tell your
child that transgenderism is normal.
It exists. Why pretend otherwise? It is like trying to pretend
Siamese twins don't exist. The word 'normal' is slippery. I would
avoid it. It is a moral evaluation. It sometimes implies no treatment
is needed. It sometimes implies common.

It reminds me of the attempts of segregationists trying to hide the
fact that black people existed from their children.

Transexuality is a condition like giantism. Christians are always
looking for excuses to single out scapegoats. Fuck the superstitious
bastards.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
Priorities: Prevent global climate destabilisation. End both wars. Prepare for oil shortages.
âlant.org
2006-12-24 08:02:08 UTC
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On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:57:36 GMT, Roedy Green
Post by Roedy Green
Transexuality is a condition like giantism. Christians are always
looking for excuses to single out scapegoats. Fuck the superstitious
bastards.
This from an ass fucked, AIDS positive, atheist canadian cock sucker.

BTW -- Do you still have the authenticated record of the Queer
Gerbiling on your web site?
Post by Roedy Green
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
Priorities: Prevent global climate destabilisation.
End both wars.
Prepare for oil shortages.
Watch Roedy blow geothermally produced hot air up his own ass.
Don Homuth
2006-12-24 00:06:25 UTC
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Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
It's no more normal than a harelip is normal.

But such things are documented and explainable, and nothing to get all
worked up about.

It's hardly a Moral question.
âlant.org
2006-12-24 08:23:34 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Post by J Young
That a teacher would imply that 'transgenderism' is normal, to a
classroom of impressionable children, transcends the boundries of
decency and common sense.
It's no more normal than a harelip is normal.
But such things are documented and explainable, and nothing to get all
worked up about.
Pedophilia is documented and explainable. Do you consider it
"...nothing to get all worked up about." What is a parent to get
worked up about, calculus, geometry, writing skills? Where will the
line be drawn on schools (that should be teaching living skills)
allowing teachers to express their PERSONAL views on what many or
possibly even most parents would consider perverted sexual behavior?
Moral teaching is a parental responsibility not the state's
Post by Don Homuth
It's hardly a Moral question.
BULL SHIT! It a "Moral question" if one parent thinks it's a moral
question. The state cannot dictate to a parent whose child is in a
public school what is and isn't moral in such matters.
John McKay
2006-12-24 23:02:10 UTC
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