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abelard
2019-04-16 16:17:50 UTC
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the notre-dame forest was constructed from timbers and woodwork.


groupama are donating 1300 oaks from a forest they own

pinault lmdh group...luxury goods including st laurant...100 million €
the arnault family (owners of the group louis vuitton hennessy) have
pledged €200m.

total, petrolchemical : €100 million

bettancourt family (oreal) has pledged €200m.

the renovation 150 million €

after stealing it from the church of rome:
the french state had only been able to fund part of the renovation,
spending approximately €2m per year currently, and up to €4m in the
next 10 years


with the responsible capitalists offering this sort of support i think
it would be better to set the fund up for the whole of the church
estates stolen at the revolution
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Dan S. MacAbre
2019-04-16 16:23:58 UTC
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the notre-dame forest was constructed from timbers and woodwork.
groupama are donating 1300 oaks from a forest they own
pinault lmdh group...luxury goods including st laurant...100 million €
the arnault family (owners of the group louis vuitton hennessy) have
pledged €200m.
total, petrolchemical : €100 million
bettancourt family (oreal) has pledged €200m.
the renovation 150 million €
the french state had only been able to fund part of the renovation,
spending approximately €2m per year currently, and up to €4m in the
next 10 years
with the responsible capitalists offering this sort of support i think
it would be better to set the fund up for the whole of the church
estates stolen at the revolution
Wouldn't the 'restorers' be liable, and insured against such things? :-)
abelard
2019-04-16 16:28:14 UTC
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the notre-dame forest was constructed from timbers and woodwork.
groupama are donating 1300 oaks from a forest they own
pinault lmdh group...luxury goods including st laurant...100 million €
the arnault family (owners of the group louis vuitton hennessy) have
pledged €200m.
total, petrolchemical : €100 million
bettancourt family (oreal) has pledged €200m.
the renovation 150 million €
the french state had only been able to fund part of the renovation,
spending approximately €2m per year currently, and up to €4m in the
next 10 years
with the responsible capitalists offering this sort of support i think
it would be better to set the fund up for the whole of the church
estates stolen at the revolution
Wouldn't the 'restorers' be liable, and insured against such things? :-)
god knows....the government is involved and they are
never ever 'responsible' for anything!
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2019-04-16 17:10:55 UTC
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the notre-dame forest was constructed from timbers and woodwork.
groupama are donating 1300 oaks from a forest they own
pinault lmdh group...luxury goods including st laurant...100 million €
the arnault family (owners of the group louis vuitton hennessy) have
pledged €200m.
total, petrolchemical : €100 million
bettancourt family (oreal) has pledged €200m.
the renovation 150 million €
the french state had only been able to fund part of the renovation,
spending approximately €2m per year currently, and up to €4m in the
next 10 years
with the responsible capitalists offering this sort of support i think
it would be better to set the fund up for the whole of the church
estates stolen at the revolution
Wouldn't the 'restorers' be liable, and insured against such things? :-)
god knows....the government is involved and they are
never ever 'responsible' for anything!
The Notre-Dame de Paris is a big tourist attraction. The French should
pour money into restoring Notre Dame.

I hope Quasimoto got out OK.
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-04-16 17:32:38 UTC
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the notre-dame forest was constructed from timbers and woodwork.
groupama are donating 1300 oaks from a forest they own
pinault lmdh group...luxury goods including st laurant...100 million €
the arnault family (owners of the group louis vuitton hennessy) have
pledged €200m.
total, petrolchemical : €100 million
   bettancourt family (oreal) has pledged €200m.
the renovation 150 million €
the french state had only been able to fund part of the renovation,
spending approximately €2m per year currently, and up to €4m in the
next 10 years
with the responsible capitalists offering this sort of support i think
      it would be better to set the fund up for the whole of the church
      estates stolen at the revolution
Wouldn't the 'restorers' be liable, and insured against such things? :-)
god knows....the government is involved and they are
    never ever 'responsible' for anything!
The Notre-Dame de Paris is a big tourist attraction. The French should
pour money into restoring Notre Dame.
I hope Quasimoto got out OK.
As long as Gina Lollobrigida is okay, I'll be content.
Col
2019-04-16 18:25:47 UTC
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Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Wouldn't the 'restorers' be liable, and insured against such things? :-)
god knows....the government is involved and they are
never ever 'responsible' for anything!
The Notre-Dame de Paris is a big tourist attraction. The French should
pour money into restoring Notre Dame.
I hope Quasimoto got out OK.
I've got a hunch he did.
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abelard
2019-04-16 16:59:39 UTC
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the notre-dame forest was constructed from timbers and woodwork.
1,300 oaks, representing 21 hectares of forest, were used in the
timbers and woodwork.
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groupama are donating 1300 oaks from a forest they own
pinault lmdh group...luxury goods including st laurant...100 million €
the arnault family (owners of the group louis vuitton hennessy) have
pledged €200m.
total, petrolchemical : €100 million
bettancourt family (oreal) has pledged €200m.
the renovation 150 million €
the french state had only been able to fund part of the renovation,
spending approximately €2m per year currently, and up to €4m in the
next 10 years
with the responsible capitalists offering this sort of support i think
it would be better to set the fund up for the whole of the church
estates stolen at the revolution
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D-FENS
2019-04-16 17:47:07 UTC
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the notre-dame forest was constructed from timbers and woodwork.
groupama are donating 1300 oaks from a forest they own
pinault lmdh group...luxury goods including st laurant...100 million €
the arnault family (owners of the group louis vuitton hennessy) have
pledged €200m.
total, petrolchemical : €100 million
bettancourt family (oreal) has pledged €200m.
the renovation 150 million €
the french state had only been able to fund part of the renovation,
spending approximately €2m per year currently, and up to €4m in the
next 10 years
with the responsible capitalists offering this sort of support i think
it would be better to set the fund up for the whole of the church
estates stolen at the revolution
Notre Dame Is Burning. A Digital Archive Could Hold the Key to Restoring It.
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/289565-notre-dame-is-burning-a-digital-archive-could-hold-the-key-to-restoring-it

"Back in 2015, we discussed the work of Dr. Andrew Tallon, an art
historian and historical modeler. Tallon used laser-mounted tripods
within the cathedral to build a point cloud of information on every
surface and internal feature of the cathedral's interior. At the
time, his goal was to uncover clues about the building's construction
and renovation process that weren't preserved to the present day."

See video in article on Tallon's laser mapping.
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Byker
2019-04-17 17:01:49 UTC
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the notre-dame forest was constructed from timbers and woodwork.
And required 13,000 trees. Replacing the woodwork would send the
tree-huggers into apoplexy...
abelard
2019-04-17 17:23:18 UTC
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the notre-dame forest was constructed from timbers and woodwork.
And required 13,000 trees. Replacing the woodwork would send the
tree-huggers into apoplexy...
you have discovered an extra zero...

1,300 oaks, representing 21 hectares of forest, were used in the
timbers and woodwork.

groupama(an insurance corp) are donating 1300 oaks from a forest
they own

where there is a will
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Byker
2019-04-17 22:54:49 UTC
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And required 13,000 trees. Replacing the woodwork would send the
tree-huggers into apoplexy...
you have discovered an extra zero...
Blame that on the NBC News.

Still, 21 hectares = 52 acres, so imagine a square 1,500 feet on a side,
filled with eco-kooks standing in the way of the chain saws.

BTW, 1,300 sounds rather paltry considering that at the end of the 18th
Century a single ship-of-the-line (https://tinyurl.com/yy3d7yh7) required
the wood from roughly 4,000 mature oaks for construction:
http://www.wou.edu/history/files/2015/08/Melby-Patrick.pdf

"Based on contemporary correspondence, parliamentary papers, and naval and
forestry reports from the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth centuries,
[Robert G.] Albion hypothesized that the demand for ship timber stripped the
landscape of wooded resources. He argued that the procurement of good oak
for the construction and maintenance of English hulls was so critical that
its failure could reduce the strength of the Royal Navy as a whole and
hamper the operations of the admiralty."
Just Wondering
2019-04-18 06:26:51 UTC
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And required 13,000 trees. Replacing the woodwork would send the
tree-huggers into apoplexy...
you have discovered an extra zero...
Blame that on the NBC News.
Still, 21 hectares = 52 acres, so imagine a square 1,500 feet on a side,
filled with eco-kooks standing in the way of the chain saws.
BTW, 1,300 sounds rather paltry considering that at the end of the 18th
Century a single ship-of-the-line (https://tinyurl.com/yy3d7yh7) required
http://www.wou.edu/history/files/2015/08/Melby-Patrick.pdf
"Based on contemporary correspondence, parliamentary papers, and naval and
forestry reports from the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth
centuries, [Robert G.] Albion hypothesized that the demand for ship timber stripped
the landscape of wooded resources. He argued that the procurement of good oak
for the construction and maintenance of English hulls was so critical that
its failure could reduce the strength of the Royal Navy as a whole and
hamper the operations of the admiralty."
I wouldn't worry about resources too much. Donors have already
pledged nearly a billion dollars US to rebuild the Notre Dame
Cathedral. As if the Roman Catholic Check couldn't pay the full
cost out of petty cash.
Snit
2019-04-18 15:38:14 UTC
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And required 13,000 trees. Replacing the woodwork would send the
tree-huggers into apoplexy...
you have discovered an extra zero...
Blame that on the NBC News.
Still, 21 hectares = 52 acres, so imagine a square 1,500 feet on a side,
filled with eco-kooks standing in the way of the chain saws.
BTW, 1,300 sounds rather paltry considering that at the end of the 18th
Century a single ship-of-the-line (https://tinyurl.com/yy3d7yh7) required
http://www.wou.edu/history/files/2015/08/Melby-Patrick.pdf
"Based on contemporary correspondence, parliamentary papers, and naval and
forestry reports from the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth
centuries, [Robert G.] Albion hypothesized that the demand for ship
timber stripped the landscape of wooded resources. He argued that the
procurement of good oak
for the construction and maintenance of English hulls was so critical that
its failure could reduce the strength of the Royal Navy as a whole and
hamper the operations of the admiralty."
I wouldn't worry about resources too much.  Donors have already
pledged nearly a billion dollars US to rebuild the Notre Dame
Cathedral.  As if the Roman Catholic Check couldn't pay the full
cost out of petty cash.
It shows the wealthy COULD help those in need if they wanted.
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abelard
2019-04-18 18:21:19 UTC
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And required 13,000 trees. Replacing the woodwork would send the
tree-huggers into apoplexy...
you have discovered an extra zero...
Blame that on the NBC News.
Still, 21 hectares = 52 acres, so imagine a square 1,500 feet on a side,
filled with eco-kooks standing in the way of the chain saws.
BTW, 1,300 sounds rather paltry considering that at the end of the 18th
Century a single ship-of-the-line (https://tinyurl.com/yy3d7yh7) required
http://www.wou.edu/history/files/2015/08/Melby-Patrick.pdf
"Based on contemporary correspondence, parliamentary papers, and naval and
forestry reports from the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth
centuries, [Robert G.] Albion hypothesized that the demand for ship
timber stripped the landscape of wooded resources. He argued that the
procurement of good oak
for the construction and maintenance of English hulls was so critical that
its failure could reduce the strength of the Royal Navy as a whole and
hamper the operations of the admiralty."
I wouldn't worry about resources too much.  Donors have already
pledged nearly a billion dollars US to rebuild the Notre Dame
Cathedral.  As if the Roman Catholic Check couldn't pay the full
cost out of petty cash.
It shows the wealthy COULD help those in need if they wanted.
first you need a motive

please supply one or five
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Snit
2019-04-19 00:44:37 UTC
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 08:38:14 -0700, Snit
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And required 13,000 trees. Replacing the woodwork would send the
tree-huggers into apoplexy...
you have discovered an extra zero...
Blame that on the NBC News.
Still, 21 hectares = 52 acres, so imagine a square 1,500 feet on a side,
filled with eco-kooks standing in the way of the chain saws.
BTW, 1,300 sounds rather paltry considering that at the end of the 18th
Century a single ship-of-the-line (https://tinyurl.com/yy3d7yh7) required
http://www.wou.edu/history/files/2015/08/Melby-Patrick.pdf
"Based on contemporary correspondence, parliamentary papers, and naval and
forestry reports from the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth
centuries, [Robert G.] Albion hypothesized that the demand for ship
timber stripped the landscape of wooded resources. He argued that the
procurement of good oak
for the construction and maintenance of English hulls was so critical that
its failure could reduce the strength of the Royal Navy as a whole and
hamper the operations of the admiralty."
I wouldn't worry about resources too much.  Donors have already
pledged nearly a billion dollars US to rebuild the Notre Dame
Cathedral.  As if the Roman Catholic Check couldn't pay the full
cost out of petty cash.
It shows the wealthy COULD help those in need if they wanted.
first you need a motive
please supply one or five
There is good reason to NOT unless the system as a whole is set up so
the rich do so together. Otherwise they are putting themselves at a
competitive disadvantage. You suggest a good argument for higher taxes
on the wealthy.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
abelard
2019-04-19 01:05:47 UTC
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And required 13,000 trees. Replacing the woodwork would send the
tree-huggers into apoplexy...
you have discovered an extra zero...
Blame that on the NBC News.
Still, 21 hectares = 52 acres, so imagine a square 1,500 feet on a side,
filled with eco-kooks standing in the way of the chain saws.
BTW, 1,300 sounds rather paltry considering that at the end of the 18th
Century a single ship-of-the-line (https://tinyurl.com/yy3d7yh7) required
http://www.wou.edu/history/files/2015/08/Melby-Patrick.pdf
"Based on contemporary correspondence, parliamentary papers, and naval and
forestry reports from the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth
centuries, [Robert G.] Albion hypothesized that the demand for ship
timber stripped the landscape of wooded resources. He argued that the
procurement of good oak
for the construction and maintenance of English hulls was so critical that
its failure could reduce the strength of the Royal Navy as a whole and
hamper the operations of the admiralty."
I wouldn't worry about resources too much.  Donors have already
pledged nearly a billion dollars US to rebuild the Notre Dame
Cathedral.  As if the Roman Catholic Check couldn't pay the full
cost out of petty cash.
It shows the wealthy COULD help those in need if they wanted.
first you need a motive
please supply one or five
There is good reason to NOT unless the system as a whole is set up so
the rich do so together. Otherwise they are putting themselves at a
competitive disadvantage. You suggest a good argument for higher taxes
on the wealthy.
eventually all taxes come out of production...
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Byker
2019-04-18 16:10:27 UTC
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I wouldn't worry about resources too much. Donors have already pledged
nearly a billion dollars US to rebuild the Notre Dame Cathedral. As if
the Roman Catholic Check couldn't pay the full cost out of petty cash.
Or "indulgences"...
Winston_Smith
2019-04-20 22:04:35 UTC
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the notre-dame forest was constructed from timbers and woodwork.
groupama are donating 1300 oaks from a forest they own
pinault lmdh group...luxury goods including st laurant...100 million €
the arnault family (owners of the group louis vuitton hennessy) have
pledged €200m.
total, petrolchemical : €100 million
bettancourt family (oreal) has pledged €200m.
https://www.apnews.com/fd877004c7b942568fe8d95a1229e180
Yellow vest anger burns in France, fueled by Notre Dame fire

PARIS (AP) — French yellow vest protesters set fires Saturday along a
march through Paris to drive home their message to a government they
believe is ignoring the poor: that rebuilding the fire-ravaged Notre
Dame Cathedral isn’t the only problem France needs to solve.
...snip
Like the high-visibility vests the protesters wear, the scattered
small fires in Paris appeared to be a collective plea to French
President Emmanuel Macron’s government to “look at me — I need help
too!”
...snip
The protests marked the 23rd straight weekend of yellow vest actions
against Macron’s centrist government, which they see as favoring the
wealthy and big business. Protesters view themselves as standing up
for beleaguered French workers , students and retirees who have been
battered by high unemployment, high taxes and shrinking purchasing
power.
...snip
Many protesters were deeply saddened by the fire at a national
monument . But at the same time they are angry at the $1 billion in
donations for Notre Dame renovations that poured in from French
tycoons while their own economic demands remain largely unmet and they
struggle to make ends meet.
Winston_Smith
2019-04-21 21:13:08 UTC
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the notre-dame forest was constructed from timbers and woodwork.
groupama are donating 1300 oaks from a forest they own
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-04-19/bees-living-on-notre-dame-cathedral-roof-survive-fire
Bees Living on Notre Dame Cathedral Roof Survive Fire

The bees are housed on the first floor on a roof over the sacristy
beneath the famous rose window.

The beehives have been on the cathedral’s roof since 2013.

"Our bees of Notre Dame Cathedral are still alive," Nicolas Geant, the
beekeeper, wrote in a blog post, citing confirmation from the leaders
of the cathedral.

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