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What moral duty do rich nations have for poor nations?
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Ted
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations. Most inequality is location based. If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations. They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations. And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more? Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
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Greg Carr
2019-03-25 08:14:40 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations. Most inequality is location based. If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations. They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations. And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more? Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
the dukester
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
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If you come to Canada illegally you are a criminal and you and those who helped you deserve prison time followed by deportation.
Dave Smith
2019-03-25 13:58:07 UTC
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If you come to Canada illegally you are a criminal and you and those
who helped you deserve prison time followed by deportation.
Some people think that if you repeat the same rhetoric over and over it
becomes fact. Like most countries, we have laws concerning citizenship
and residency. Citizens of some countries are allowed to come and visit
for limited periods without requiring a visa, and some are required to
have a visa. People entering the country are required to do so at
regular border crossings. Those who are crossing at those points in
Quebec and Saskatchewan are entering illegally.

We have a process for immigration. It takes time and costs money. These
people are crossing at those points because of a loophole in the third
safe country clause. If they crossed at a regular crossing they would be
rejected. We have way too many self righteous twits who think that
Canadians are all nice and so much better than Americans and that is why
these illegal migrants are coming here. Those people need to wake up
and accept that those migrants had chosen the US over Canada, and that
they are only leaving the because it was starting to look like they
would be sent back home.

Trudeau and the Liberals have done worse than ignoring the problem. That
idiot stood up and said that we welcome them. That served only to
inspire more and more of them to come. More than half of them are being
rejected as refugees and the percentage of rejections is increasing.
A Moose in Love
2019-03-28 17:21:52 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations. Most inequality is location based. If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations. They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations. And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more? Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
the dukester
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
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If you come to Canada illegally you are a criminal and you and those who helped you deserve prison time followed by deportation.
legally they are criminals. but many of them are trying to get away from a life filled with horror. not that i'm in favour of open borders. but some of the immigrants are fucked. perhaps a better idea is to keep them in their host countries and make sure that they are well guarded etc.
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2019-03-28 12:29:59 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations. Most inequality is location based. If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations. They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations. And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more? Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
First comes permission.

the dukester
David Hartung
2019-03-28 12:40:34 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations. Most inequality is location based. If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations. They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations. And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more? Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another country
without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Rudy Canoza
2019-03-28 14:13:34 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another country
without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather than a
nonsense like "illegal alien".
David Hartung
2019-03-28 14:30:00 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another
country without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather than a
nonsense like "illegal alien".
The term illegal alien is perfectly correct and sensible, and its use is
only a problem for those individuals who wish to blur the line between
foreign nationals in the USA legally, vs those in the USA illegally.
Rudy Canoza
2019-03-28 14:42:32 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to
accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another country
without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather than a
nonsense like "illegal alien".
The term illegal alien is perfectly correct and sensible,
It isn't, and I have instructed you why it isn't. The alien cannot be
illegal. You know this.
David Hartung
2019-03-28 16:59:51 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses
to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another
country without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather than
a nonsense like "illegal alien".
The term illegal alien is perfectly correct and sensible,
It isn't, and I have instructed you why it isn't.
No, you have given me your opinion, that is all.
Rudy Canoza
2019-03-28 17:17:40 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses
to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another
country without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather than a
nonsense like "illegal alien".
The term illegal alien is perfectly correct and sensible,
It isn't, and I have instructed you why it isn't.
No,
Yes. I have instructed you on it, and I am right.
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2019-03-28 17:24:50 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class
based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered
location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the
citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.
They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.
And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to
refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another
country without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather
than a nonsense like "illegal alien".
The term illegal alien is perfectly correct and sensible,
It isn't, and I have instructed you why it isn't.
No,
Yes.  I have instructed you on it, and I am right.
rudy likes to put things in his bum hole
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class
based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered
location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the
citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.
They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.
And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to
refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another
country without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather
than a nonsense like "illegal alien".
The term illegal alien is perfectly correct and sensible,
It isn't, and I have instructed you why it isn't.
No,
Yes.  I have instructed you on it, and I am right.
rudy likes to put things in his bum hole
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class
based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered
location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the
citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.
They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.
And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to
refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another
country without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather
than a nonsense like "illegal alien".
The term illegal alien is perfectly correct and sensible,
It isn't, and I have instructed you why it isn't.
No,
Yes.  I have instructed you on it, and I am right.
rudy likes to put things in his bum hole
What kind of things?
anything he thinks he can get up it
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class
based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered
location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the
citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.
They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.
And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to
refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another
country without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather
than a nonsense like "illegal alien".
The term illegal alien is perfectly correct and sensible,
It isn't, and I have instructed you why it isn't.
No,
Yes.  I have instructed you on it, and I am right.
rudy likes to put things in his bum hole
What kind of things?
anything he thinks he can get up it
For storage purposes, like a prison purse? That sounds like a lot of
hoopla.
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class
based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered
location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the
citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.
They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.
And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to
refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another
country without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather
than a nonsense like "illegal alien".
The term illegal alien is perfectly correct and sensible,
It isn't, and I have instructed you why it isn't.
No,
Yes.  I have instructed you on it, and I am right.
rudy likes to put things in his bum hole
What kind of things?
anything he thinks he can get up it
For storage purposes, like a prison purse? That sounds like a lot of
hoopla.
some just for the sake of the tickle
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class
based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered
location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the
citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.
They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.
And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to
refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another
country without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather
than a nonsense like "illegal alien".
The term illegal alien is perfectly correct and sensible,
It isn't, and I have instructed you why it isn't.
No,
Yes.  I have instructed you on it, and I am right.
rudy likes to put things in his bum hole
What kind of things?
anything he thinks he can get up it
For storage purposes, like a prison purse? That sounds like a lot of
hoopla.
some just for the sake of the tickle
A pickle tickle... jerkin with the gherkin.
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class
based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered
location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the
citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.
They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.
And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to
refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another
country without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather
than a nonsense like "illegal alien".
The term illegal alien is perfectly correct and sensible,
It isn't, and I have instructed you why it isn't.
No,
Yes.  I have instructed you on it, and I am right.
rudy likes to put things in his bum hole
What kind of things?
anything he thinks he can get up it
For storage purposes, like a prison purse? That sounds like a lot of
hoopla.
some just for the sake of the tickle
A pickle tickle... jerkin with the gherkin.
slammin the ham in
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2019-03-29 22:29:27 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to
accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another country
without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather than a
nonsense like "illegal alien".
The term illegal alien is perfectly correct and sensible,
It isn't, and I have instructed you why it isn't. The alien cannot be
illegal. You know this.
Penny ante.

the dukester
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered
location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and
poor nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you
are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations. 
They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations. 
And they should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses
to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another
country without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather than
a nonsense like "illegal alien".
The term illegal alien is perfectly correct and sensible, and its use
is only a problem for those individuals who wish to blur the line
between foreign nationals in the USA legally, vs those in the USA
illegally.
And those in the USA illegally includes the
First Lady, busy making money in the US despite
the restrictions of her tourist visa, no?
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another country
without that country's permission is usually illegal.
Come up with a correct and sensible phrase to describe it rather than a
nonsense like "illegal alien".
Penny ante.

the dukester
Alex W.
2019-03-29 04:34:33 UTC
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Post by Ted
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another country
without that country's permission is usually illegal.
I know what you are getting at, and I would not care to disagree with
your stance, but I do feel I ought to point out that this line of
argumentation really works much better in lands occupied and governed by
first settlers and their descendants. From a moral and historical
perspective, it is much easier for an Icelander or Norwegian to claim
the right to extend or refuse permission to enter their land than it
would be for any one of the three governments (or people) of the three
North American nations. After all, Canadians, Americans and Mexicans
all arrived in North America very much as illegals...
David Hartung
2019-03-29 12:25:48 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Ted
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another
country without that country's permission is usually illegal.
I know what you are getting at, and I would not care to disagree with
your stance, but I do feel I ought to point out that this line of
argumentation really works much better in lands occupied and governed by
first settlers and their descendants.  From a moral and historical
perspective, it is much easier for an Icelander or Norwegian to claim
the right to extend or refuse permission to enter their land than it
would be for any one of the three governments (or people) of the three
North American nations.  After all, Canadians, Americans and Mexicans
all arrived in North America very much as illegals...
As a sovereign nation, the United States has the legal and moral right
to determine who may come into the nation, and for what reason. Those
who are "unlawfully present" in the United states are illegal aliens.
The term is a good description and I believe makes clear the difference
between those in the US unlawfully and those here lawfully.
Rudy Canoza
2019-03-29 15:50:32 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Ted
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another country
without that country's permission is usually illegal.
I know what you are getting at, and I would not care to disagree with
your stance, but I do feel I ought to point out that this line of
argumentation really works much better in lands occupied and governed by
first settlers and their descendants.  From a moral and historical
perspective, it is much easier for an Icelander or Norwegian to claim the
right to extend or refuse permission to enter their land than it would be
for any one of the three governments (or people) of the three North
American nations.  After all, Canadians, Americans and Mexicans all
arrived in North America very much as illegals...
As a sovereign nation, the United States has the legal and moral right to
determine who may come into the nation, and for what reason. Those who are
"unlawfully present" in the United states are illegal aliens.
No. That term is a nonsense. Don't use it.
Ted
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As a sovereign nation, the United States has...
...nothing to do with migrants or refugees to Australia. Please stop
cross posting to aus.politics. You and the other cross posters are just
wasting band width are are waaaayyyy off topic..
It's 2019, Fran. Bandwidth is no longer an issue, ya worthless moron.
Further, you auztarded bastards still need to pay close attention to US
politics, as you drunken clowns "down under" (Oz and NZ) are merely our
vassal "nations". (Same as Canada.) We say "jump", and you say "how high?"
LOL. :-)

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2019-03-30 03:49:04 UTC
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As a sovereign nation, the United States has...
...nothing to do with migrants or refugees to Australia. Please stop
cross posting to aus.politics. You and the other cross posters are just
wasting band width are are waaaayyyy off topic..
It's 2019, Fran. Bandwidth is no longer an issue, ya worthless moron.
Further, you auztarded bastards still need to pay close attention to US
politics, as you drunken clowns "down under" (Oz and NZ) are merely our
vassal "nations". (Same as Canada.) We say "jump", and you say "how high?"
LOL. :-)
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Maybe we should let the Chinese and Russians set up bases in southern Manitoba and Saskatchewan to give America a lesson.
Rudy Canoza
2019-03-29 04:40:01 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and
No human is illegal. "Illegal alien" is a nonsense. Adjectives modify
nouns. "Illegal" is an adjective, and "alien" is a noun. "Illegal alien"
is nonsense. Find something else, preferably something that doesn't give
your racism and bigotry away so easily.
David Hartung
2019-03-29 12:27:22 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and
No human is illegal.  "Illegal alien" is a nonsense.  Adjectives modify
nouns.  "Illegal" is an adjective, and "alien" is a noun.  "Illegal
alien" is nonsense.  Find something else, preferably something that
doesn't give your racism and bigotry away so easily.
It is you who is the racist bigot.
Rudy Canoza
2019-03-29 15:50:47 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Ted
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to
accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and
No human is illegal.  "Illegal alien" is a nonsense.  Adjectives modify
nouns.  "Illegal" is an adjective, and "alien" is a noun.  "Illegal
alien" is nonsense.  Find something else, preferably something that
doesn't give your racism and bigotry away so easily.
It is you who is the racist bigot.
No. That's you.
d***@cox.net
2019-03-29 22:30:26 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Ted
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses
to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and
No human is illegal.  "Illegal alien" is a nonsense.  Adjectives modify
nouns.  "Illegal" is an adjective, and "alien" is a noun.  "Illegal
alien" is nonsense.  Find something else, preferably something that
doesn't give your racism and bigotry away so easily.
It is you who is the racist bigot.
Yeah, rudy has fallen in the toilet, and over nothing to boot..

the dukester
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2019-03-29 22:32:56 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by David Hartung
Post by Ted
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses
to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and
No human is illegal.  "Illegal alien" is a nonsense.  Adjectives modify
nouns.  "Illegal" is an adjective, and "alien" is a noun.  "Illegal
alien" is nonsense.  Find something else, preferably something that
doesn't give your racism and bigotry away so easily.
It is you who is the racist bigot.
Yeah, rudy has fallen in the toilet, and over nothing to boot..
the dukester
he's trying to make an illegal escape
Rudy Canoza
2019-03-29 04:53:56 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Ted
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and
The ever-reliable New York Times has a good story on this issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/insider/illegal-undocumented-unauthorized-the-terms-of-immigration-reporting.html

There's one line in there I don't like at all:

Off the table entirely are “illegal,” when used as a noun, and the
sinister-sounding “alien.”

"Illegal" as a noun is simply not acceptable, but as U.S. immigration law
has *hundreds* of references to "alien", I find nothing sinister or
offensive about it whatever. "Undocumented alien", "unauthorized alien",
"unlawfully present alien" - all of those are accurate and non-pejorative.

As a matter of semantics, "immigrant" means simply someone who has entered
the country and resides there, whether lawfully or not. As a matter of
law, "immigrant" is restricted to those who have lawfully entered and
settled. "Undocumented/unlawful immigrant" is therefore a nonsense,
because what we're talking about in this debate *IS* the law.

Do not use "immigrant" or "migrant" - those, especially the former, are
sanitizing euphemisms and evade the issues.
David Hartung
2019-03-29 12:30:51 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Ted
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and
The ever-reliable New York Times has a good story on this issue.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/insider/illegal-undocumented-unauthorized-the-terms-of-immigration-reporting.html
   Off the table entirely are “illegal,” when used as a noun, and the
   sinister-sounding “alien.”
"Illegal" as a noun is simply not acceptable, but as U.S. immigration
law has *hundreds* of references to "alien", I find nothing sinister or
offensive about it whatever.  "Undocumented alien", "unauthorized
alien", "unlawfully present alien" - all of those are accurate and
non-pejorative.
That is the opinion of the New York Times, I reject it.
Rudy Canoza
2019-03-29 15:53:12 UTC
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Post by Rudy Canoza
Post by David Hartung
Post by Ted
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to
accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and
The ever-reliable New York Times has a good story on this issue.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/insider/illegal-undocumented-unauthorized-the-terms-of-immigration-reporting.html
    Off the table entirely are “illegal,” when used as a noun, and the
    sinister-sounding “alien.”
"Illegal" as a noun is simply not acceptable, but as U.S. immigration law
has *hundreds* of references to "alien", I find nothing sinister or
offensive about it whatever.  "Undocumented alien", "unauthorized alien",
"unlawfully present alien" - all of those are accurate and non-pejorative.
That is the opinion of the New York Times, I reject it.
That's how we know you're a stupid racist bigot, and wrong.
Bob Robertson
2019-03-30 20:01:37 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Ted
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to
accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and
The ever-reliable New York Times has a good story on this issue.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/insider/illegal-undocumented-unauthorized-the-terms-of-immigration-reporting.html
    Off the table entirely are “illegal,” when used as a noun, and the
    sinister-sounding “alien.”
"Illegal" as a noun is simply not acceptable, but as U.S. immigration law
has *hundreds* of references to "alien", I find nothing sinister or
offensive about it whatever.  "Undocumented alien", "unauthorized alien",
"unlawfully present alien" - all of those are accurate and non-pejorative.
That is the opinion of the New York Times, I reject it.
That's how we know you're a stupid racist bigot, and wrong.
That's how we know you're a brown person. Got your fake social
security card in order illegal alien?
Sanitizer
2019-03-30 20:51:53 UTC
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That's how we know you're a stupid racist bigot, and wrong.
That's how we know you're a brown person. Got your fake social security
card in order illegal alien?
How do we know, fucking septic Yank troll that you are an alt-right
golden showered Trump fucker cretin and on top of it also a lowlife
racist pig?

As soon as you start to vomit your hate and arrogant wanker crap onto
your keyboard.

GET THE FUCK OUT OF this OZ newsgroup. We have no interest in septic
racism.
This troll is a waste of space and valuable good oxygen!

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Siri Cruise
2019-03-30 21:11:07 UTC
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GET THE FUCK OUT OF this OZ newsgroup. We have no interest in septic
I know New Zealand is Australia's Canada, but is New Zealand a rich or poor
nation compared to Australia?
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Bob Robertson
2019-03-29 21:16:45 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Ted
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and
The ever-reliable New York Times has a good story on this issue.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/insider/illegal-undocumented-unauthorized-the-terms-of-immigration-reporting.html
Off the table entirely are “illegal,” when used as a noun, and the
sinister-sounding “alien.”
"Illegal" as a noun is simply not acceptable, but as U.S. immigration law
has *hundreds* of references to "alien", I find nothing sinister or
offensive about it whatever. "Undocumented alien", "unauthorized alien",
"unlawfully present alien" - all of those are accurate and non-pejorative.
As a matter of semantics, "immigrant" means simply someone who has entered
the country and resides there, whether lawfully or not. As a matter of
law, "immigrant" is restricted to those who have lawfully entered and
settled. "Undocumented/unlawful immigrant" is therefore a nonsense,
because what we're talking about in this debate *IS* the law.
Do not use "immigrant" or "migrant" - those, especially the former, are
sanitizing euphemisms and evade the issues.
Rudy ia an alien... see appendix I for illegal.
Rudy Canoza
2019-03-30 06:21:46 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Ted
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
  There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations.  Most inequality is location based.  If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations.  They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations.  And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more?  Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to
accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and
The ever-reliable New York Times has a good story on this issue.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/insider/illegal-undocumented-unauthorized-the-terms-of-immigration-reporting.html
Off the table entirely are “illegal,” when used as a noun, and the
sinister-sounding “alien.”
"Illegal" as a noun is simply not acceptable, but as U.S. immigration law
has *hundreds* of references to "alien", I find nothing sinister or
offensive about it whatever. "Undocumented alien", "unauthorized alien",
"unlawfully present alien" - all of those are accurate and non-pejorative.
As a matter of semantics, "immigrant" means simply someone who has entered
the country and resides there, whether lawfully or not. As a matter of
law, "immigrant" is restricted to those who have lawfully entered and
settled. "Undocumented/unlawful immigrant" is therefore a nonsense,
because what we're talking about in this debate *IS* the law.
Do not use "immigrant" or "migrant" - those, especially the former, are
sanitizing euphemisms and evade the issues.
Rudy ia an alien
I'm not. I was born in the USA, and my ancestors on my father's side
arrived in Connecticut no later than 1642. My mother's ancestry is a
little more vague, but her patrilineal ancestry in the USA can be traced
back at least to the 1830s.

I am a natural born American citizen by definition.

"Illegal alien" is a nonsense and should not be used. It's wrong.
Sanitizer
2019-03-30 20:43:43 UTC
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"Illegal alien" is a nonsense and should not be used. It's wrong.
Calling septic this Yank intruder troll *illegal* trash is quite correct.
Its degree of illiteracy displaying its lack of even the most elementary
education is on par with its stupid hate filled arrogance.
Cross posting such moronic crap to OZ, where the indigenous population
has dark skin marks him as racist pig lowlife trash.
Did a brown person <un muy illegal alien> tell you to say that?
Why don't you eat your own verbal shit, fucking septic troll and die.

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2019-03-29 22:28:00 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Inequality inside nations can be considered largely class based, while
inequality between nations can generally be considered location based.
There is little equality of opportunity between rich and poor
nations. Most inequality is location based. If you are the citizen
of a rich nations, you have won a life lottery.
Rich nations should take steps to help the poor nations. They should
transfer business and technical know how to poor nations. And they
should accept more migrants.
Why more? Especially illegal ones?
An immigrant is illegal only if the country they move to refuses to accept them.
They don't have the right to "move to" without authorization.
NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL!
True, but humans do engage in illegal acts, and to enter another country
without that country's permission is usually illegal.
His actions are.

the dukester
Colonel Edmund J. Burke
2019-03-29 15:19:31 UTC
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Duke sucks nigger diks.
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