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Polar bears struggling to catch enough seals as ice fades
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AlleyCat
2018-03-26 22:14:41 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 00:35:40 -0700 (PDT), Catoni says...
How the hell did polar bears suvive the Eemian ? ?
"If we go back 8000 years in the Holocene period, our current
interglacial, it was much warmer than it is today. Now... the polar bears
obviously survived that period... they're with us today... they're very
adaptable and these warm periods in the past (we call hipsy thermals),
posed no problem for them."

Climate variation in the past is clearly natural, so why do we think it's
any different today?

https://vimeo.com/246712630

Unum shows his stupidity once again, by allowing himself to be brainwashed
by ANYONE with a leftist anti-capitalist bent.

I'LL tell you why the Polar Bears are having a hard time catching Seals...
it's those gaudy fucking collars with transmitters that Seals can hear a
mile away.

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[giggle]
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It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."

Unum
2018-03-27 01:11:26 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 00:35:40 -0700 (PDT), Catoni says...
How the hell did polar bears suvive the Eemian ? ?
"If we go back 8000 years in the Holocene period, our current
interglacial, it was much warmer than it is today. Now... the polar bears
obviously survived that period... they're with us today... they're very
adaptable and these warm periods in the past (we call hipsy thermals),
posed no problem for them."
Climate variation in the past is clearly natural, so why do we think it's
any different today?
Its because global warming isn't natural today, you spamming little moron.

https://www.cnet.com/news/polar-bears-struggling-to-catch-seals-arctic-ice-climate-change/

A new study finds the large predators have a higher metabolic rate than
previously expected and prey is getting harder to catch as climate change
causes sea ice to retreat sooner than ever.

Researchers monitored a group of nine female polar bears in the Arctic over
the course of two years. They used collars equipped with point-of-view cameras
and location-tracking tech to follow the bears' movements and feeding
behavior. They also measured the bears' metabolic rates using blood and urine
samples.

"We found that polar bears actually have much higher energy demands than
predicted. They need to be catching a lot of seals," says Anthony Pagano, a US
Geological Survey wildlife biologist and doctoral candidate at University of
California Santa Cruz. Five of the nine bears lost mass at a time when they
should have been packing on body fat.

Polar bears can readily hunt seals on sea ice, but it's much more difficult to
catch the prey when the ice is gone and bears end up expending energy by
traveling over greater distances.

"As sea ice becomes increasingly short-lived annually, polar bears are likely
to experience increasingly stressful conditions and higher mortality rates,"
the study says.
AlleyCat
2018-03-27 03:38:55 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:11:26 -0500, Unum says...
Post by Unum
Post by AlleyCat
Climate variation in the past is clearly natural, so why do we think it's
any different today?
Its because global warming isn't natural today
You do not KNOW that as a certainty. It's only a theory... a hypothetical
wrapped up in observance and HUMANLY linked to warming by those with
agendas and families to feed, because A) CO² causes a greenhouse affect
and "we" output CO² and B) it's gotten warmer WHILE we've output CO², so
the two MUST be linked, when that is just bullshit, driven by personal and
a collective groupthink that WANTS it to be man, so they can tax him into
bankruptcy or hand over their money to the left.

All you pansy-ass anti-capitalist know, is that it's a WHOLLLLLE ONE
DEGREE warmer than it was a 140 years ago. wow.

YOU can throw your fancy buzzwords around, like isotopes, bomb cyclones,
and any and all manner of mathematical climate equations into the mix all
you want... THAT doesn't change the FACT that it's gotten JUST as warm,
JUST as fast in the not-so-distant past.

I've got a shit-ton of graphed hokey shticks to prove it.

Also, your whole agenda is so apparent when we see your anti-capitalist
buzzwords in print... "rich people", "corporations", "Exxon", "the Koch
brothers".

You fucktards have made this shit up about man being the cause, JUST to
hope and pray big oil and gas and coal loses money, or has to give it
away.

How do you KNOW the whole ONE degree of "warming" isn't natural... because
Kerry then OBAMA said that 97% of all scientists agree that it's not?

http://blog.heartland.org/2014/06/the-myth-of-the-climate-change-97/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2014/05/28/the_myth_of_the_climate_chang
e_quot97quot_333189.html

http://boards.fool.com/wsj-the-myth-of-the-climate-change-97-31268605.aspx

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/30/the-myth-of-the-97-climate-change-
consensus/

http://augustafreepress.com/exactly-myth-climate-change-97/

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You have NOTHING but circumstantial evidence... CO² causes heat and IR
"trapping" and we've gotten warmer.

We find for the defendant... case dismissed... basement dweller.
--
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It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI

Australia Weather Bureau Caught Tampering With Climate Numbers

UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The
World's Economy
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used-
un-promote-economic-agenda/

*****

"Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of-
climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/

*****

U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-
destroy-capitalism/

*****

Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-
admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

*****

United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is
to Destroy Capitalism
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2015-02-
27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE
Unum
2018-03-27 04:13:48 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:11:26 -0500, Unum says...
Post by Unum
Post by AlleyCat
Climate variation in the past is clearly natural, so why do we think it's
any different today?
Its because global warming isn't natural today
You do not KNOW that as a certainty. It's only a theory... a hypothetical
So what is causing the clearly observed climate variation today, you
sad little spamming moron?


https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/the-latest-chevron-lawyer-no-debate-about-climate-science

An attorney for oil giant Chevron says the company does not dispute the
findings of an international panel of scientists that it is extremely likely
humans are the dominant cause of global warming since the mid-1900s.
AlleyCat
2018-03-27 05:50:52 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 23:13:48 -0500, Unum says...


Really? What are you... a 12 year old girl?

"Why do you hate Polar Bears?"... something my daughter might have said,
13 years ago, had I not taught her the wiles of the anti-capitalist,
commie socialist, lazy fuck, pigs.

I told her how to think for herself and not get brainwashed like you weak-
minded leftist retards.

Case in point: Al Gore tells you the Arctic will be ice-free by 2015, and
you mush-minded little basement dwelling fools lapped it up.

I have this bridge... sell it to ya cheap!

Now, you make excuses, i.e., BUZZWORDS, for why he was wrong. "It's the
Polar Vorrrrrtex." Now, it's arctic-anti-extra-subtropical-bomb-cyclones
and superstorms and whatever ELSE you tards use as an excuse for why we've
only had MARGINAL warming and not some infinite heatwave the world over,
like you idiots SAY we're going to have, if we don't change our evil ways.

We've simply had natural variations in weather, temperature and storms,
but YOU can't accept that, because of your ideological views... you have
to make more out of what's being reported to bolster your positions.

You turn better technology into BIGGER and WORSE whatever, when it's the
TECHNOLOGY that's bigger and better.

Of COURSE there's more "worse" weather being reported and seen on RADAR
and satellite. With each new technological "breakthrough", we ARE going to
be able to see "worse" weather.

I guarantee you, the Galveston Hurricane was MUCH worse than BOTH Harvey
and Irma, but there WAS no Doppler RADAR, or satellites or C-130s that
could fly into the storm, and there CERTAINLY wasn't half the
infrastructure then as now.

Fuck roads, trees and houses... up to 25,000 people died... how many died
in Harvey?

Irma?

LOL

Weak.
Post by AlleyCat
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:11:26 -0500, Unum says...
Post by Unum
Post by AlleyCat
Climate variation in the past is clearly natural, so why do we think it's
any different today?
Its because global warming isn't natural today
You do not KNOW that as a certainty. It's only a theory... a hypothetical
So what is causing the clearly observed climate variation today?
YOU said it, basement dweller... read your own sentence again and again
and as many times as you need to "get it".

Hint: 35-50 char.

Hint: It's the SAME fucking thing as in the past. Do you REALLY need to
SEE it? Ok.

Just between another interglacial. Gah!

We're just at another "peak"... or we'll get there some day, but you and I
won't see it.

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LOOK how temperature variation, ain't so variable after all.

https://imgur.com/nmOM3yv

The temperatures go up... the temperatures go down. Over and over again.

We're only here NOW because of this. Dumb ass. Rachel Welch's titties
would have fallen off if she were to have REALLY lived in 1,000,000BC.

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you sad little spamming moron
You know, dumbass, or not, that when you don't change the Newsgroups I
"spam" to, YOU'RE "spamming" too?

LOL

What a dumb ass.
--
Climate Hillbilly Davis

It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
Siri Cruise
2018-03-27 13:44:59 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
All you pansy-ass anti-capitalist know, is that it's a WHOLLLLLE ONE
Insurance companies are among the most capitalist businesses around. Their
business model is to borrow from clients, park the money where can appreciate
faster than expected client demands, and then pay back as clients demand.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-linden-insurance-climate-change-201406
17-story.html

Twenty years ago, I interviewed Frank Nutter, then and now president of the
Reinsurance Assn. of America, on the threat climate change posed to the
$2-trillion-plus global property and casualty insurance industry.

"It is clear," he said back then, "that global warming could bankrupt the
industry."

But in the two decades since, the industry mostly limited itself to talk,
sponsoring innumerable reports on the threat. Now a major insurance company has
moved to protect itself, and it may be the most important milestone yet in the
struggle to contend with global warming.
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Siri Cruise
2018-03-27 13:35:47 UTC
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Post by Unum
A new study finds the large predators have a higher metabolic rate than
previously expected and prey is getting harder to catch as climate change
causes sea ice to retreat sooner than ever.
Polar bears are adaptable. They move inland for new prey like dogs, humans,
cattle, as well interbreed with grizzly bears.

They're survivors.

The people they catch unawares: less so.
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AlleyCat
2018-03-28 00:10:22 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 06:35:47 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
Post by Siri Cruise
The people they catch unawares: less so.
[giggle]

Sometimes, it's the idiots who THINK they HAVE to study, prod and probe
the Polar Bears.

LOOK at this bear... you can tell he's just awakened from being
tranquilized and now has a fucking drive-in theater speaker strapped
around his neck. No WONDER they can't catch seals... they hear them coming
from BELOW the ice.

https://i.imgur.com/gftGXBQ.jpg

No fucking WONDER he or she can't hunt seal... they don't WANT to any
more. All the other Polar Bears are laughing at him and his new necklace.
--
AlleyCat Hillbilly

It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
Skeeter
2018-03-28 00:20:33 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 06:35:47 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
Post by Siri Cruise
The people they catch unawares: less so.
[giggle]
Sometimes, it's the idiots who THINK they HAVE to study, prod and probe
the Polar Bears.
LOOK at this bear... you can tell he's just awakened from being
tranquilized and now has a fucking drive-in theater speaker strapped
around his neck. No WONDER they can't catch seals... they hear them coming
from BELOW the ice.
https://i.imgur.com/gftGXBQ.jpg
No fucking WONDER he or she can't hunt seal... they don't WANT to any
more. All the other Polar Bears are laughing at him and his new necklace.
Polar bear bullies, that's a shame.
--
MAUKGA
Siri Cruise
2018-03-28 00:35:35 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
LOOK at this bear... you can tell he's just awakened from being
tranquilized and now has a fucking drive-in theater speaker strapped
around his neck. No WONDER they can't catch seals... they hear them coming
from BELOW the ice.
That explains what you know about science. Thanks.



And you're still an idiot.
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AlleyCat
2018-03-28 02:20:17 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:35:35 -0700, Siri Cruise says...
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by AlleyCat
LOOK at this bear... you can tell he's just awakened from being
tranquilized and now has a fucking drive-in theater speaker strapped
around his neck. No WONDER they can't catch seals... they hear them coming
from BELOW the ice.
That explains what you know about science. Thanks.
You MUST be a liberal... thanks for PROVING that liberals have not ONE
scintilla of a sense of humour.

Buuuut... if you don't think even RECEIVERS put out ANY sound, it's YOU
that doesn't know anything about science.

On land, the seals can hear as well as cats or dogs; they can detect four
octaves of sound, from 0.6 to 11 kilohertz. Underwater, their range is
seven octaves, from about 0.3 to 56 kilohertz, SIMILAR TO PORPOISES AND
DOLPHINS, though the seals' range started at a much lower frequency.

https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/wild-things/spotted-seals-hear-well-and-
out-water

POWER makes noise, idiot. WE can't hear it, but have YOU tested a seal
lately, whether it can or cannot hear anything from a radio receiver?

Neither have I, so my JOKE remains a funny theory. I wasn't being serious,
but since you had to go all liberal on us...
Post by Siri Cruise
And you're still an idiot.
I'd rather be the biggest idiot in the world, than to be the biggest nerd.

How does it feel to be both, Chine?

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What a fucking nerd.
--
Climate Hillbilly idiot

It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
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AlleyCat
2018-03-28 00:26:47 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 21:24:33 +0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell says...
A hybrid griz/inuk is not a polar bear. You'll have to wait another
30000 generations for that.
There ya go.
There are indications that evolution will be stalled these days.
AHNNNNNG... wrong, future boy. Try again.

https://vimeo.com/262126248

If you're so sure, why use "indications" or "will be"? And check that
grammar again... "WILL be"... "THESE days"?

Conflicting future with present at once? Can you say paradox?
That's a no no. Cats and dogs will start living together.

Wow... where'd you go to school... San Dimas High?

Bonus points for figuring that one out. EASILY found on Google.
--
Climate Hillbilly Davis

It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
AlleyCat
2018-03-28 00:28:58 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 19:28:06 +0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell says...
Scientists suspect
AHNNNNNNG.... doesn't count. Please speak in absolutes... theories and
hypotheses have gotten you screechers into too much trouble.

"Our children just won't know what snow is."

The Arctic will be ice-free by 2015.

[snicker]
--
Climate Hillbilly Davis

It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
AlleyCat
2018-03-29 00:00:01 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:20:26 -0700 (PDT), Catoni says...
Post by Unum
Its because global warming isn't natural today, you spamming little moron.
Only about 3% - 4% of atmospheric CO2 can be attributed to man.
About 97% of all CO2 is natural.... pal ! ! !
The other 3% or 3.75% can be ignored... right ? After all... you guys are always telling us we should only pay attention to the 97%.... The other 3% should be ignored..
55555555 :)
(Whining... whinging?... in my best climate screeching left winger anti-
capitalist shrill voice), yeah, but WE'RRRRE the tippinnnnng poinnnnnt!

WHAH WHAH WHAH!

Nevermind the fact that decades of "conservation" has caused a little bump
in CO² levels itself.

Look it up, screechers.

We all know these bogans, redneck and pansies, yes YOU Unum, and shut-ins
(gordo) don't give a little boy's ass about "saving the planet"... it's
about power, control and money for the left winger agendas and causes.

Too bad the people of the world have FINALLY come around to see what kind
of scam they're perpetrating.

UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The
World's Economy
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used-
un-promote-economic-agenda/

*****

"Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of-
climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/

*****

U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-
destroy-capitalism/

*****

Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-
admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

*****

United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is
to Destroy Capitalism
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27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE

Australia Weather Bureau Caught Tampering With Climate Numbers

Climate Change Scientists Caught Tampering With Data to Show Rising Sea
Levels

"NOAA And NASA Corrected Historical Temperature Data And Fabricated
Temperature Data"

"NASA Made Efforts To Discredit Their Own Satellite Data"

"NASA Refused To Give Data And Information Requested By The US
House Of Representatives Science, Space And Technology Committee"

"NASA And NOAA Caught In Climate Data Manipulation"

"NASA Dramatically Altered US Temperatures After The Year 2000"

"Spectacularly Poor Climate Science At NASA"

"NASA/NOAA Mislead, Deceive and Lie About 'Hottest Year' Claim - Concede
2014 NOT "Hottest Year"

"Climate Fraud: NASA's Recent Global Warming "Corrections" Equal a +95.0°C
Per Century Trend"

https://www.google.com/#newwindow=1&q=noaa+nasa+caught
AlleyCat
2018-04-01 04:14:37 UTC
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 22:21:45 -0500, Unum says...
I'm just pointing out that the dumbass posted something from 17 years ago
as if it were current.
Sooo... not ONE of you screeching anti-capitalist climate bogans have EVER
posted any study, research or anything else that was published more than
say, 5 years ago?

Uhhh... can you say hokey schtick?

Every time you bogans get your asses handed to you, BY FACTS (17 years ago
can STILL be relevant to today, moron), you come up with that crap,
"Dude... that was like, 17 years ago."

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report-bret-
baier/blog/2014/05/01/tommy-vietor-tells-bret-dude-it-benghazi-was-two-
years-ago

Michael Mann's Hokey Schtick was HOW long ago? After being debunked, you
and your fellow climate alarmists STILL point to it.

Hockey stick is broken:
"In 2003 Professor McKitrick teamed with a Canadian engineer, Steve
McIntyre, in attempting to replicate the chart and finally debunked it as
statistical nonsense. They revealed how the chart was derived from
"collation errors, unjustified truncation or extrapolation of source data,
obsolete data, incorrect principal component calculations, geographical
mislocations and other serious defects" -- substantially affecting the
temperature index."
--
Climate Hillbilly Davis

It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
Unum
2018-04-01 21:33:28 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 22:21:45 -0500, Unum says...
I'm just pointing out that the dumbass posted something from 17 years ago
as if it were current.
Sooo... not ONE of you screeching anti-capitalist climate bogans have EVER
posted any study, research or anything else that was published more than
say, 5 years ago?
Dumbass didn't post a "study".
Post by AlleyCat
Uhhh... can you say hokey schtick?
Every time you bogans get your asses handed to you, BY FACTS (17 years ago
can STILL be relevant to today, moron), you come up with that crap,
Actually, new studies debunk old ones all the time so you got to wonder
why ratboy depends on old articles from fox news for his "science".
Post by AlleyCat
"In 2003 Professor McKitrick teamed with a Canadian engineer, Steve
McIntyre, in attempting to replicate the chart and finally debunked it as
statistical nonsense. They revealed how the chart was derived from
"collation errors, unjustified truncation or extrapolation of source data,
obsolete data, incorrect principal component calculations, geographical
mislocations and other serious defects" -- substantially affecting the
temperature index."
McKitrick is full of shit, just like ratboy.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11646-climate-myths-the-hockey-stick-graph-has-been-proven-wrong/

Since 2001, there have been repeated claims that the reconstruction is at best
seriously flawed and at worst a fraud, no more than an artefact of the
statistical methods used to create it (see The great hockey stick debate).

Details of the claims and counterclaims involve lengthy and arcane statistical
arguments, so let’s skip straight to the 2006 report of the US National
Academy of Science (pdf). The academy was asked by Congress to assess the
validity of temperature reconstructions, including the hockey stick.

The report states: “The basic conclusion of Mann et al. (1998, 1999) was that
the late 20th century warmth in the Northern Hemisphere was unprecedented
during at least the last 1000 years. This conclusion has subsequently been
supported by an array of evidence that includes both additional large-scale
surface temperature reconstructions and pronounced changes in a variety of
local proxy indicators, such as melting on ice caps and the retreat of
glaciers around the world”.
AlleyCat
2018-04-02 02:17:43 UTC
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On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 16:33:28 -0500, Unum says...
Post by Unum
Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 22:21:45 -0500, Unum says...
I'm just pointing out that the dumbass posted something from 17 years ago
as if it were current.
Sooo... not ONE of you screeching anti-capitalist climate bogans have EVER
posted any study, research or anything else that was published more than
say, 5 years ago?
Dumbass didn't post a "study".
[giggle] Typical left wing liberal... I didn't say ANYONE posted a
study... you whined about a 17 year old "something", but since you insist
he didn't post a study... what exactly IS what he cited... a recipe for
lemonade?

The pic that Catoni posted IS from an IPCC STUDY, you fucking moron. Why
do you idiots on the left, INSIST on parsing words and using bullshit
liberal semantics to make an argument you've already lost?

You're saying that "Climate Change 2001: The Scientific Basis" was not a
study?

Good gawd, man... give in when you're losing.
Post by Unum
Post by AlleyCat
Uhhh... can you say hokey schtick?
Every time you bogans get your asses handed to you, BY FACTS (17 years ago
can STILL be relevant to today, moron), you come up with that crap,
Actually, new studies debunk old ones all the time so you got to wonder
why ratboy depends on old articles from fox news for his "science".
Uhhh... please provide an exact cite and quote of mine, when I've used Fox
News as a scientific resource, that wasn't just a report on the ONE who
DID the study.

You can't, because I haven't used Fox News as a source for ANYTHING in
almost two years. I don't WATCH Fox News, dumbass.

Here's the difference between you crying wolf little pansy-asses on the
anti-capitalist-leftist side... WE provide particular studies that have
debunked your studies... you fuckers act like the media, who always use
and say "anonymous sources", and throw out a blanket statement, i.e.,
"...new studies debunk old ones...

WHAT new studies... if you're going to talk about them... LIST them.
Post by Unum
Post by AlleyCat
"In 2003 Professor McKitrick teamed with a Canadian engineer, Steve
McIntyre, in attempting to replicate the chart and finally debunked it as
statistical nonsense. They revealed how the chart was derived from
"collation errors, unjustified truncation or extrapolation of source data,
obsolete data, incorrect principal component calculations, geographical
mislocations and other serious defects" -- substantially affecting the
temperature index."
McKitrick is full of shit, just like ratboy.
Ohhhh... I see... when someone WITH an agenda, such as Mann, proves
someone WITHOUT an agenda wrong, or debunks their "study", well, that's
just peachy keen and perfectly reasonable to you, but noooooo... when
someone WITHOUT an agenda proves someone wrong or debunks THEIR theories,
that's blasphemy and heresy!

I get it now.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... WHY is he full of shit... because he
doesn't kowtow to the agenda-driven machine that IS the left wing, and he
happens to be right?

Yup... liberals HATE the truth... that's why they lie all the time.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -- Folks... you can't MAKE this
shit up... basement boy pisses, moans and cries about someone using an
"old" study to prove a point, then posts a cite that's almost JUST as old.

What an idiot.
Post by Unum
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11646-climate-myths-the-hockey-st
ick-graph-has-been-proven-wrong/
Since 2001, there have been repeated claims that the reconstruction is
at best seriously flawed and at worst a fraud, no more than an artefact
of the statistical methods used to create it (see The great hockey stick
debate).
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Post by Unum
Details of the claims and counterclaims involve lengthy and arcane
statistical arguments, so let's skip straight to the 2006 (wow... 17
years seems to be a pretty long time, but 12 isn't?) report of the
US National Academy of Science (pdf). The academy was asked by Congress
to assess the validity of temperature reconstructions, including the
hockey stick.
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"...so let's skip straight to the 2006 report of the US National Academy
of Science..."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh... there's NOTHING wrong with a TWELVE year old report, but a 17 year
old study, is just beyond the pale and HAS to be "full of shit"?

[giggle]

You're kinda stupid... you DO know that, right?
Post by Unum
The report states: "The basic conclusion of Mann et al. (1998, 1999) was
that the late 20th century warmth in the Northern Hemisphere was
unprecedented during at least the last 1000 years. This conclusion has
subsequently been supported by an array of evidence that includes both
additional large-scale surface temperature reconstructions and
pronounced changes in a variety of local proxy indicators, such as
melting on ice caps and the retreat of glaciers around the world".
Mann's Hokey Schtick and subsequent "studies" do NOT say this... you and
they ALWAYS say it's hotter than it's EVER been in the last 1000 years,
ONLY witnessed by the idiotic graphs that show the temperature going
STRAIGHT up with a "X" and "Y" axis so distorted, it makes it look as
though we're all going to burn to a crisp in a matter of years... not
decades... not centuries... SOON.

Here's a good one for you. Notice how the left-leaning Wikipedia shows the
current temp (actually it's 2004 temps), going almost straight up and
HIGHER than the Medieval Warm Period.

If what you posted above is true, that Mann, et. al., has said it is
warmer now than ever before (OK... the last 1000 years), how come there
are JUST as many (MORE, actually) that show WARMER periods in the last
1000 AND 10,000 years?

https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&biw=1920&bih=1077&tbm=isch&sa=1
&ei=NozBWtWICMjAtQWj6auQDA&q=world+temperatures+last+10%2C000
+years&oq=world+temperatures+last+10%2C000+years&gs_l=psy-
ab.3...1175618.1180836.0.1180998.18.13.0.5.5.0.158.1318.8j5.13.0....0...1c
.1.64.psy-ab..0.8.677...0j0i24k1.0.wYpskHRJiDY

Are they ALL wrong and full of shit?

OK... basement boy. You know better than ALL the scientists who debunk
Mann's bullshit... they're all liars and crackpot scientists.

What science degree do YOU have? I keep forgetting. YOU said McKittrick
is full of shit... aren't we all?

No... go ahead... tell us how IMMENSELY smarter you are than McKittrick,
et. al., and it doesn't take a PhD. to KNOW that man is causing the
climate to change, because, you know, CO² traps heat and it's getting
warmer, and WE put out CO² by the BILLions and BILLions of tonnes, so it
HAS to be us that's causing the warmth, whereas everything else that has
been pumping out CO² for BILLions and BILLions of years, doesn't really
count because, yeah... they can't give no money to the leftist cause.

Gotcha. ;-)
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It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
AlleyCat
2018-04-01 04:18:06 UTC
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 20:48:51 -0700 (PDT), Catoni says...
I don't click on links to lieblogs.
And your proof that they lie
Want to put money on it?
Question: You claim to not like lies..... how soon you going to dump Al Gore..... and his "inconvenient" propaganda lie films, and Leonardo DiCaprio and his shit ? ?
Did they set your hair on fire, dimwit?
(Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press 2001)
Did time stop 17 years ago, dumbass?
What are you trying to claim ? ? You saying we can dump Michael "Hockey Schtick" Mann and his stupid graph ? ? Always knew it was crap ! !
I'm just pointing out that the dumbass posted something from 17 years ago
as if it were current.
Did I state that it was current ? And so what if it isn't ? ?
You morons still kiss the feet of Michael "Hockey Schtick" Mann and his 21 year old "Hockey Stick" graph . LOL
LOL... we're on the same page. My post is coming up, but don't blame me
for writing essentially the same thing... I was writing mine and doing
research on what the bogans have been posting in the not-too-distant past,
regarding things LIKE the Hokey shtick.

;-)
--
Climate Hillbilly Davis

It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
AlleyCat
2018-04-02 02:53:36 UTC
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On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 14:14:47 -0700 (PDT), Catoni says...
Post by AlleyCat
LOL... we're on the same page. My post is coming up, but don't blame me
for writing essentially the same thing... I was writing mine and doing
research on what the bogans have been posting in the not-too-distant past,
regarding things LIKE the Hokey shtick.
;-)
It's okay ... feel free to use anything I post and to repeat it if you wish...
Cool, but that's the thing... I wanted you to know that I WASN'T using
what you posted, in case you DID care. I had my head down and started
banging on the keyboard IMMEDIATELY after I saw Unum's dumbass reply,
never seeing yours until I looked up again and saw your reply. ;-)

I try not to waste time typing replies, ESPECIALLY if someone has already
said what I was thinking.
--
Climate Hillbilly Davis

It's "weather" when the temperatures don't agree with what climate
screechers have to say, and then it's climate change, when it does.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."
http://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI
Byker
2018-03-27 21:58:28 UTC
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If the "global warming" mantra is
anywhere near close to correct, the
polar bears will go extinct.
The bears should start eating eco-kooks: https://tinyurl.com/y76ac8by

There are five times as many polar bears as there were 60 years ago:
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Siri Cruise
2018-03-28 00:26:49 UTC
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Post by Byker
If the "global warming" mantra is
anywhere near close to correct, the
polar bears will go extinct.
The bears should start eating eco-kooks: https://tinyurl.com/y76ac8by
They are eating Alaskans and Canadians.
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Byker
2018-03-28 03:28:29 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Byker
The bears should start eating eco-kooks: https://tinyurl.com/y76ac8by
They are eating Alaskans and Canadians.
That reminds me of this goodie: Timothy Treadwell said he always wanted to
end up as bear shit. Another California eco-freak gets a Darwin Award
(audio):

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Wildlife author killed, eaten by bears he loved

By CRAIG MEDRED
Anchorage Daily News

A California author and filmmaker who became famous for trekking to
Alaska's remote Katmai coast to commune with brown bears has fallen
victim to the teeth and claws of the wild animals he loved.

Alaska State Troopers and National Park Service officials said Timothy
Treadwell, 46, and girlfriend Amie Huguenard, 37, were killed and
partially eaten by a bear or bears near Kaflia Bay, about 300 miles
southwest of Anchorage, earlier this week.

Scientists who study Alaska brown bears said they had been warning
Treadwell for years that he needed to be more careful around the huge
and powerful coastal twin of the grizzly.

Treadwell's films of close-up encounters with giant bears brought him
a bounty of national media attention. The fearless former drug addict
from Malibu, Calif. -- who routinely eased up close to bears to chant
"I love you'' in a high-pitched, sing-song voice -- was the subject of
a show on the Discovery Channel and a report on "Dateline NBC." Blond,
good-looking and charismatic, he appeared for interviews on David
Letterman's show and "The Rosie O'Donnell Show" to talk about his
bears. He even gave them names: Booble, Aunt Melissa, Mr. Chocolate,
Freckles and Molly, among others.

A self-proclaimed eco-warrior, he attracted something of a cult
following too. Chuck Bartlebaugh of "Be Bear Aware,'' a national bear
awareness campaign, called Treadwell one of the leaders of a group of
people engaged in "a trend to promote getting close to bears to show
they were not dangerous.

"He kept insisting that he wanted to show that bears in thick brush
aren't dangerous. The last two people killed (by bears) in Glacier
National Park went off the trail into the brush. They said their goal
was to find a grizzly bear so they could 'do a Timothy.' We have a
trail of dead people and dead bears because of this trend that says,
'Let's show it's not dangerous.' ''

But even Treadwell knew that getting close with brown bears in thick
cover was indeed dangerous. In his 1997 book "Among Grizzlies,'' he
wrote of a chilling encounter with a bear in the alder thickets that
surround Kaflia Lake along the outer coast of Katmai National Park and
Preserve.

"This was Demon, who some experts label the '25th Grizzly,' the one
that tolerates no man or bear, the one that kills without bias,''
Treadwell wrote. "I had thought Demon was going to kill me in the
Grizzly Maze.''

Treadwell survived and kept coming back to the area. He would spend
three to four months a summer along the Katmai coast, filming,
watching and talking to the bears.

"I met him during the summer of '98 at Hallo Bay,'' said Stephen
Stringham, a professor with the University of Alaska system. "At
first, having read his book, I thought he was fairly foolhardy ...
(but) he was more careful than the book portrayed.

"He wasn't naive. He knew there was danger."

NO PROTECTION

Despite that, Treadwell refused to carry firearms or ring his
campsites with an electric fence as do bear researchers in the area.
And he stopped carrying bear spray for self-protection in recent
years. Friends said he thought he knew the bears so well he didn't
need it.

U.S. Geological Survey bear researcher Tom Smith; Sterling Miller,
formerly the Alaska Department of Fish and Game's top bear authority;
and others said they tried to warn the amateur naturalist that he was
being far too cavalier around North America's largest and most
powerful predator.

"He's the only one I've consistently had concern for,'' Smith said.
"He had kind of a childlike attitude about him.''

"I told him to be much more cautious ... because every time a bear
kills somebody, there is a big increase in bearanoia and bears get
killed,'' Miller said. "I thought that would be a way of getting to
him, and his response was 'I would be honored to end up in bear scat.'
''

A number of other people said that over the years Treadwell made
similar comments to them, implying that he would prefer to die as part
of a bear's meal. All said they found the comments troubling, because
bears that attack people so often end up dead.

RANGERS RETRIEVE REMAINS

Katmai park rangers who went Monday to retrieve the remains of
Treadwell and Huguenard -- both of whom were largely eaten -- ended up
killing two bears near the couple's campsite.

Katmai superintendent Deb Liggett said she was deeply troubled by the
whole episode.

"The last time I saw Timothy, I told him to be safe out there and that
none of my staff would ever forgive him if they had to kill a bear
because of him,'' she said. "I kind of had a heart-to-heart with him.
I told him he was teaching the wrong message.

"This is unfortunate, (but) I'm not surprised. It really wasn't a
matter of if; it was just a matter of when.''

What led up to the latest Alaska bear attack, as well as exactly when
it happened, is unknown. The bodies of Treadwell and Huguenard, a
physician's assistant from Boulder, Colo., were discovered Monday by
the pilot of a Kodiak air taxi who arrived at their wilderness camp to
take them back to civilization. A bear had buried the remains of both
in what is known as a "food cache.''

The couple's tent was flattened as if a bear sat or stepped on it, but
it had not been ripped open, even though food was inside. The
condition of the tent led most knowledgeable observers to conclude the
attack probably took place during the daylight hours when Treadwell
and Huguenard were outside the tent, instead of at night when they
would have been inside. Most of their food was found in bear-proof
containers near the camp.

Officials said the camp was clean but located close to a number of
bear trails. Because of the concentration of bears in the Kaflia Lake
area and a shortage of good campsites, however, it is almost
impossible to camp anywhere but along a bear trail there.

EXTENDED THEIR STAY

Treadwell and Huguenard, who was in the process of moving from
Colorado to Malibu to live with Treadwell, had last been heard from
Sunday afternoon when they used a satellite phone to talk to Jewel
Palovak. Palovak is a Malibu associate of Treadwell at Grizzly People,
which bills itself as "a grass-roots organization devoted to
preserving bears and their wilderness habitat.''

Palovak said she talked with Treadwell about his favorite bear, a sow
he called Downy. Treadwell had been worried, Palovak said, that the
sow might have wandered out of the area and been killed by hunters. So
instead of returning to California at the end of September as planned,
Treadwell lingered at Kaflia to look for her. Palovak said Treadwell
was excited to report finding the animal alive.

PILOT CALLS IN TRAGEDY

What transpired in the hours after the phone call is unknown. The
Kodiak pilot who arrived at the Treadwell camp the next day was met by
a charging brown bear. The bear forced the pilot for Andrew Airways
back to his floatplane.

Authorities said he took off and buzzed the bear several times in an
effort to drive it out of the area, but it would not leave the
campsite established by Treadwell and Huguenard. When the pilot
spotted the bear apparently sitting on the remains of a human,
authorities said, he flew back to the lake, landed, beached his plane
some distance from the camp and called for help from troopers and the
Park Service.

Interviews with sources who were on the scene provided this account:

Park rangers were the first to arrive. They hiked from the beach
toward a knob above the camp hoping to be able to survey the scene
from a distance. They had no sooner reached the top of the knob,
however, than they were charged by a large brown bear.

It was shot and killed at a distance of about 12 feet. The Andrew Air
pilot, according to Bruce Bartley of the Alaska Department of Fish and
Game, was convinced the large boar with the ratty hide was the same
animal he'd tried to buzz out of the campsite. The boar was described
as an underweight, old male with rotting teeth.

Authorities do not know if it was the bear that killed Treadwell and
Huguenard. They were to fly to the site on Tuesday to search the
animal's stomach for human remains but were prevented from doing so by
bad weather.

After shooting that bear, rangers and troopers who had by then arrived
walked down to the campsite and undertook the task of gathering the
remains of the two campers. While they were there, another large boar
grizzly went through the campsite but largely ignored the humans.

A smaller, subadult that appeared later, however, seemed to be
stalking the group. Rangers and troopers shot and killed it.

"It would have killed Timothy to know that they killed the bears,''
Palovak said, "but there was no choice in the matter."

"He was very clear that he didn't want any retaliation against a
bear,'' added Roland Dixon, a wealthy bear fan who lives on a ranch
outside of Fort Collins, Colo., and has been one of Treadwell's main
benefactors for the past six or seven years. "He was really adamant
that he didn't want any bear to suffer from any mistake that he made.
His attitude was that if something like this were to happen, it would
probably be his fault.''

Bartlebaugh of "Be Bear Aware'' has no doubts that Treadwell loved the
animals but believes the love was misguided.

"I'm an avid bear enthusiast,'' Bartlebaugh said. "It's the same
attitude that I think Timothy had, but I don't want them (the bears)
to be my friends. I don't want to have a close, loving relationship. I
want to be in awe of them as wild animals.''

Palovak, Treadwell's associate, and Dixon take a different view.

"I think (Timothy) would say it's the culmination of his life's
work,'' Palovak said. "He always knew that he was the bear's guest and
that they could terminate his stay at any time. He lived with the full
knowledge of that. He died doing what he lived for.''

"He was kind of a goofy guy,'' Dixon said. "It took me a while to get
in tune with him. His whole life was dedicated to being with the
bears, or teaching young people about them. That's all he ever did. It
was always about the bears. It was never about Timothy. He had a
passion and he lived his passion. There will be no one to replace him.
There's just nobody in the bear world who studies bears like Timothy
did.''

Dixon acknowledged Treadwell took risks with bears but dismissed as
envious those who criticized his behavior .
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