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Remember Justin at the UN?
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Eric©
2017-10-11 20:48:11 UTC
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'Justin Trudeau's UN Speech Outlines Canada's 'Humiliation' Of Indigenous Peoples'
'He even referred to the international condemnation Canada has received.'
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/09/21/justin-trudeaus-un-speech-outlines-canadas-
humiliation-of-indigenous-peoples_a_23218217/

http://bit.ly/2yhKpV6

Of course almost everytime he starts spewing platitudes, reality comes along to bite him
on the ass...

"Ottawa says health programs for Indigenous peoples have 'room for review' but is making
no promises to halt a court case that has cost taxpayers $110,000 and counting - all to
avoid paying a $6,000 bill for a teen?s braces.

Jane Philpott, the former health minister recently appointed minister of Indigenous
services, said through a spokesperson that 'unacceptable' social and economic gaps facing
Indigenous peoples, including health care, were the motivations in the establishment of
her department.

[...]

But the statement from Philpott's office Friday was silent on the specific case that has
raised the ire of critics, who say Ottawa is wasting tax dollars and falling down on its
responsibility to look after the health of Indigenous children, all in a bid to avoid
paying for a child's orthodontic treatment."
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/09/29/ottawa-racks-up-110000-in-legal-bills-to-
avoid-paying-for-indigenous-teens-braces.html

http://bit.ly/2yhEUW6

What to believe - reality or Liberal talking heads?
Dave Smith
2017-10-11 21:42:03 UTC
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Post by Eric©
'Justin Trudeau's UN Speech Outlines Canada's 'Humiliation' Of
Indigenous Peoples' 'He even referred to the international
condemnation Canada has received.'
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/09/21/justin-trudeaus-un-speech-outlines-canadas-
humiliation-of-indigenous-peoples_a_23218217/
Post by Eric©
http://bit.ly/2yhKpV6
Of course almost everytime he starts spewing platitudes, reality
comes along to bite him on the ass...
"Ottawa says health programs for Indigenous peoples have 'room for
review' but is making no promises to halt a court case that has cost
taxpayers $110,000 and counting - all to avoid paying a $6,000 bill
for a teen?s braces.
Jane Philpott, the former health minister recently appointed minister
of Indigenous services, said through a spokesperson that
'unacceptable' social and economic gaps facing Indigenous peoples,
including health care, were the motivations in the establishment of
her department.
Well it sucks doesn't it. If you live out in the middle of nowhere there
may not be facilities nearby.
Post by Eric©
[...]
But the statement from Philpott's office Friday was silent on the
specific case that has raised the ire of critics, who say Ottawa is
wasting tax dollars and falling down on its responsibility to look
after the health of Indigenous children, all in a bid to avoid paying
for a child's orthodontic treatment."
Good. It could set a precedent. Apparently Health Canada dismissed her
application because her condition was not serious enough. If they pay
for her braces they could end up having to foot the bill for thousands
of others. I have known lots of people who wore braces at some point
and they had to pay for them themselves.
Greg Carr
2017-10-11 23:56:47 UTC
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I and my brother received our braces through our Dad's CP Air dental plan. Of course CP went bankrupt.
Eric©
2017-10-12 03:26:05 UTC
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Dave Smith wrote...
Post by Eric©
Post by Eric©
'Justin Trudeau's UN Speech Outlines Canada's 'Humiliation' Of
Indigenous Peoples' 'He even referred to the international
condemnation Canada has received.'
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/09/21/justin-trudeaus-un-speech-outlines-canadas-
humiliation-of-indigenous-peoples_a_23218217/
Post by Eric©
http://bit.ly/2yhKpV6
Of course almost everytime he starts spewing platitudes, reality
comes along to bite him on the ass...
"Ottawa says health programs for Indigenous peoples have 'room for
review' but is making no promises to halt a court case that has cost
taxpayers $110,000 and counting - all to avoid paying a $6,000 bill
for a teen?s braces.
Jane Philpott, the former health minister recently appointed minister
of Indigenous services, said through a spokesperson that
'unacceptable' social and economic gaps facing Indigenous peoples,
including health care, were the motivations in the establishment of
her department.
Well it sucks doesn't it. If you live out in the middle of nowhere there
may not be facilities nearby.
Post by Eric©
[...]
But the statement from Philpott's office Friday was silent on the
specific case that has raised the ire of critics, who say Ottawa is
wasting tax dollars and falling down on its responsibility to look
after the health of Indigenous children, all in a bid to avoid paying
for a child's orthodontic treatment."
Good. It could set a precedent. Apparently Health Canada dismissed her
application because her condition was not serious enough. If they pay
for her braces they could end up having to foot the bill for thousands
of others. I have known lots of people who wore braces at some point
and they had to pay for them themselves.
Umm it wouldn't set a precedent, in that any other kids/parents could still sue on the
same grounds. Legal precedents affect decisions, not admissability, afaik.

And this is part of a pattern of ongoing abuses. The gov't is desperate to show their
humility re old abuses (by spending billions of taxpayer dollars) yet they continue with
the same behaviour. Beneath the public rhetoric the gov't continues to fight tooth &
nail against reform. They are fighting against native women who lost their status
because they married a non-native man; they are doing little or nothing to address the
potable water issue on reserves which is their sole responsibility, and they've spent
hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars fighting an order by the Canadian Human Rights
Commission that they treat native kids equally with non-natives.
Dave Smith
2017-10-12 13:03:01 UTC
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Post by Eric©
Dave Smith wrote...
Post by Dave Smith
Post by Eric©
'Justin Trudeau's UN Speech Outlines Canada's 'Humiliation' Of
Indigenous Peoples' 'He even referred to the international
condemnation Canada has received.'
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/09/21/justin-trudeaus-un-speech-outlines-canadas-
humiliation-of-indigenous-peoples_a_23218217/
Post by Eric©
Post by Dave Smith
Post by Eric©
http://bit.ly/2yhKpV6
Of course almost everytime he starts spewing platitudes, reality
comes along to bite him on the ass...
"Ottawa says health programs for Indigenous peoples have 'room
for review' but is making no promises to halt a court case that
has cost taxpayers $110,000 and counting - all to avoid paying a
$6,000 bill for a teen?s braces.
Jane Philpott, the former health minister recently appointed
minister of Indigenous services, said through a spokesperson
that 'unacceptable' social and economic gaps facing Indigenous
peoples, including health care, were the motivations in the
establishment of her department.
Well it sucks doesn't it. If you live out in the middle of nowhere
there may not be facilities nearby.
Post by Eric©
[...]
But the statement from Philpott's office Friday was silent on
the specific case that has raised the ire of critics, who say
Ottawa is wasting tax dollars and falling down on its
responsibility to look after the health of Indigenous children,
all in a bid to avoid paying for a child's orthodontic
treatment."
Good. It could set a precedent. Apparently Health Canada
dismissed her application because her condition was not serious
enough. If they pay for her braces they could end up having to foot
the bill for thousands of others. I have known lots of people who
wore braces at some point and they had to pay for them themselves.
Umm it wouldn't set a precedent, in that any other kids/parents could
still sue on the same grounds. Legal precedents affect decisions,
not admissability, afaik.
It would be a precedent because those others who would be able to sue
would look back on the decision from his one and point out that the
government had paid in this case. The alternative would be for the
government to say that they aren't going to pay those future claims and
they did not in this case. Then people would realize a suit would be a
waste of time and money.
Post by Eric©
And this is part of a pattern of ongoing abuses. The gov't is
desperate to show their humility re old abuses (by spending billions
of taxpayer dollars) yet they continue with the same behaviour.
Beneath the public rhetoric the gov't continues to fight tooth & nail
against reform. They are fighting against native women who lost
their status because they married a non-native man; they are doing
little or nothing to address the potable water issue on reserves
which is their sole responsibility, and they've spent hundreds of
thousands of taxpayer dollars fighting an order by the Canadian Human
Rights Commission that they treat native kids equally with
non-natives.
I don't understand why the federal government is obligated to provide
drinking water on reserves. They are remote, rural communities. Millions
of Canadians live on rural properties where they have to make their own
arrangements. They have wells dug or they have cisterns to collect rain
water or have it trucked in. Cities and towns have municipal water
which is funded through charges for usage and taxes. Residential land
development involves the installation on water mains and sewers.

I am curious about how they calculate the amount paid for education for
native kids compared to that paid for the rest of Canadian children.
There is a formula for government funding for school boards based on the
number of children and their attendance. The dropout rate for native
students is four times higher than the national average. If they
aren't in school there isn't or should not be funded, and cost per
student stats should only include those that are actually in school.

You cannot expect complete educational facilities in every school. Many
of them are small reservations with just a few hundred people and there
are not enough high school students in the area to justify a school
building and staff. They are sent to larger cities and the government
picks up the bill for transportation and accommodation.
BumbleBee
2017-10-12 15:56:34 UTC
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You cannot expect complete educational facilities in every school. Many
of them are small reservations with just a few hundred people
The big dumb trucker bully SUPPORTS ripping children from their families
and culture.

I'd REALLY like to fuck your face up BIG TIME!
Greg Carr
2017-10-13 05:34:42 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
You cannot expect complete educational facilities in every school. Many
of them are small reservations with just a few hundred people
The big dumb trucker bully SUPPORTS ripping children from their families
and culture.
I'd REALLY like to fuck your face up BIG TIME!
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As someone who has been in knife fights and still carries one why
don't you piss off.
Roy
2017-10-13 15:32:46 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
You cannot expect complete educational facilities in every school. Many
of them are small reservations with just a few hundred people
The big dumb trucker bully SUPPORTS ripping children from their families
and culture.
I'd REALLY like to fuck your face up BIG TIME!
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As someone who has been in knife fights and still carries one why
don't you piss off.
Sane people do not carry knives...only sadistic monsters.
BumbleBee
2017-10-13 15:51:26 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
You cannot expect complete educational facilities in every school. Many
of them are small reservations with just a few hundred people
The big dumb trucker bully SUPPORTS ripping children from their families
and culture.
I'd REALLY like to fuck your face up BIG TIME!
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As someone who has been in knife fights and still carries one why
don't you piss off.
Sane people do not carry knives...only sadistic monsters.
WTF??!?!?

Plenty of tradespeople and everyday Joes carry a knife for all manner of
work and recreational reasons.

You're a negative fuckwit!
Greg Carr
2017-10-13 19:44:12 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
You cannot expect complete educational facilities in every school. Many
of them are small reservations with just a few hundred people
The big dumb trucker bully SUPPORTS ripping children from their families
and culture.
I'd REALLY like to fuck your face up BIG TIME!
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As someone who has been in knife fights and still carries one why
don't you piss off.
Sane people do not carry knives...only sadistic monsters.
And ppl who work in wharehouses. Carrying a knife is totally legal
and many boy scouts and whittlers do.
BumbleBee
2017-10-13 21:39:21 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
You cannot expect complete educational facilities in every school. Many
of them are small reservations with just a few hundred people
The big dumb trucker bully SUPPORTS ripping children from their families
and culture.
I'd REALLY like to fuck your face up BIG TIME!
---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
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As someone who has been in knife fights and still carries one why
don't you piss off.
Sane people do not carry knives...only sadistic monsters.
And ppl who work in wharehouses. Carrying a knife is totally legal
and many boy scouts and whittlers do.
Roy boy is a real wuss.
Dave Smith
2017-10-13 22:06:38 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
You cannot expect complete educational facilities in every school. Many
of them are small reservations with just a few hundred people
The big dumb trucker bully SUPPORTS ripping children from their families
and culture.
I'd REALLY like to fuck your face up BIG TIME!
---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
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As someone who has been in knife fights and still carries one why
don't you piss off.
Sane people do not carry knives...only sadistic monsters.
  And ppl who work in wharehouses. Carrying a knife is totally legal
and many boy scouts and whittlers do.
Roy boy is a real wuss.
And you are the great keyboard ninja.
BumbleBee
2017-10-13 22:09:32 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
You cannot expect complete educational facilities in every school. Many
of them are small reservations with just a few hundred people
The big dumb trucker bully SUPPORTS ripping children from their families
and culture.
I'd REALLY like to fuck your face up BIG TIME!
---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com
As someone who has been in knife fights and still carries one why
don't you piss off.
Sane people do not carry knives...only sadistic monsters.
  And ppl who work in wharehouses. Carrying a knife is totally legal
and many boy scouts and whittlers do.
Roy boy is a real wuss.
And you are the great keyboard ninja.
Bow to me then, biotch.

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