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The pitfalls of socialism
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Eric©
2017-06-15 21:08:01 UTC
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[1] The appellant was at the relevant times a police officer with the Niagara Regional
Police. He was convicted of conspiracy to smuggle cheese into Canada from the United
States without paying the required duties, and related charges (in contravention of the
Customs Act), and of breach of trust by a public official (in contravention of the
Criminal Code). He was sentenced to three months' imprisonment for the smuggling
offences and to one month's imprisonment, consecutive, on the breach of trust offence.

[2] The appellant does not appeal from the smuggling convictions. However, he seeks to
set aside his conviction for breach of trust. He also seeks leave to appeal, and if
leave is granted, to appeal from both sentences imposed.

The Cheese Smuggling Scheme and CPIC Enquiry

[3] The trial judge succinctly described the gist of the smuggling offences in the
following way, in his reasons for sentence:

"The offender, a police officer, was the organizer of a racket in which another constable
smuggled cheese across the border from Buffalo to Fort Erie, which cheese was sold to
local restaurants for profit, at discount prices that were made possible by the evasion
of the 246 percent duty. About $133,000 of cheese and other food was smuggled, with the
result that about $325,000 worth of duty was evaded."
https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onca/doc/2017/2017onca441/2017onca441.html
Greg Carr
2017-06-15 21:43:15 UTC
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Post by Eric©
[1] The appellant was at the relevant times a police officer with the Niagara Regional
Police. He was convicted of conspiracy to smuggle cheese into Canada from the United
States without paying the required duties, and related charges (in contravention of the
Customs Act), and of breach of trust by a public official (in contravention of the
Criminal Code). He was sentenced to three months' imprisonment for the smuggling
offences and to one month's imprisonment, consecutive, on the breach of trust offence.
[2] The appellant does not appeal from the smuggling convictions. However, he seeks to
set aside his conviction for breach of trust. He also seeks leave to appeal, and if
leave is granted, to appeal from both sentences imposed.
The Cheese Smuggling Scheme and CPIC Enquiry
[3] The trial judge succinctly described the gist of the smuggling offences in the
"The offender, a police officer, was the organizer of a racket in which another constable
smuggled cheese across the border from Buffalo to Fort Erie, which cheese was sold to
local restaurants for profit, at discount prices that were made possible by the evasion
of the 246 percent duty. About $133,000 of cheese and other food was smuggled, with the
result that about $325,000 worth of duty was evaded."
https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onca/doc/2017/2017onca441/2017onca441.html
Like it or not (I don't) we have rules about importing dairy products from foreign countries. It's a tarrif or trade barrier not socialism. Law enforcement officers are suppossed to uphold the law they are well paid to enforce. He deserves his punishment.
Dhu on Gate
2017-06-16 00:04:13 UTC
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Post by Greg Carr
It's a tarrif or trade barrier not socialism. Law enforcement officers
Baltch.

The very concepts of a Police forces and tariffs are social constructs: Socialism.

Dhu
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Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglaise.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)

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Greg Carr
2017-06-16 00:11:15 UTC
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100 % disagree.
Dhu on Gate
2017-06-16 03:37:40 UTC
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Post by Greg Carr
100 % disagree.
Yah. I know.

You also think it's alright to murder in the name of Righteousness.

Dhu
--
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglaise.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)

http://babayaga.neotext.ca/PublicKeys/Duncan_Patton_a_Campbell_pubkey.txt
Greg Carr
2017-06-16 16:37:01 UTC
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Post by Dhu on Gate
Post by Greg Carr
100 % disagree.
Yah. I know.
You also think it's alright to murder in the name of Righteousness.
Dhu
--
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglaise.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)
http://babayaga.neotext.ca/PublicKeys/Duncan_Patton_a_Campbell_pubkey.txt
Are you saying GOD is a murderer for drowning the entire population of the Earth except 8 people in the Great Deluge? You didn't even know how to to send a EFT in 2017.
gordo
2017-06-16 18:10:49 UTC
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:37:01 -0700 (PDT), Greg Carr
Post by Greg Carr
Post by Dhu on Gate
Post by Greg Carr
100 % disagree.
Yah. I know.
You also think it's alright to murder in the name of Righteousness.
Dhu
--
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglaise.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)
http://babayaga.neotext.ca/PublicKeys/Duncan_Patton_a_Campbell_pubkey.txt
Are you saying GOD is a murderer for drowning the entire population of the Earth except 8 people in the Great Deluge? You didn't even know how to to send a EFT in 2017.
I am saying there is no god,gods ,male female or spaghetti monster in
the sky.

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Greg Carr
2017-06-16 18:23:06 UTC
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Lake of fire for you then on Judgement Day.
Eric©
2017-06-16 18:50:21 UTC
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Greg Carr wrote...
Post by Greg Carr
Lake of fire for you then on Judgement Day.
"God did it, not me": jury shown confession video in Saretzky trial
http://rdnewsnow.com/article/541767/god-did-it-not-me-jury-shown-confession-video-
saretzky-trial

http://bit.ly/2tw4Ubg

Shows how dangerous people who use claimed supernatural beings as proxies for their own
personal problems can be.
Dhu on Gate
2017-06-16 20:18:49 UTC
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Post by Eric©
Greg Carr wrote...
Post by Greg Carr
Lake of fire for you then on Judgement Day.
"God did it, not me": jury shown confession video in Saretzky trial
http://rdnewsnow.com/article/541767/god-did-it-not-me-jury-shown-confession-video-
saretzky-trial
http://bit.ly/2tw4Ubg
Shows how dangerous people who use claimed supernatural beings as proxies for their own
personal problems can be.
Claiming to act unilaterally for the Almighty really *is* a fast
way to that lake of fire: no need of waitin' on an afterlife ;-)

Dhu
--
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglaise.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)

http://babayaga.neotext.ca/PublicKeys/Duncan_Patton_a_Campbell_pubkey.txt
gordo
2017-06-17 01:08:29 UTC
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:23:06 -0700 (PDT), Greg Carr
Post by Greg Carr
Lake of fire for you then on Judgement Day.
Are you the spaghetti monster in the sky? Are you passing judgment? Go
away with your old superstitions , Galileo and then Darwin kind of got
rid of your nonsense.

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Greg Carr
2017-06-17 01:31:46 UTC
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The Italian repented rather than stand up to the evil RCC. Evolution has been going on for 40k goofo.
gordo
2017-06-17 20:16:12 UTC
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:31:46 -0700 (PDT), Greg Carr
Post by Greg Carr
The Italian repented rather than stand up to the evil RCC. Evolution has been going on for 40k goofo.
Goofo? You lost it Greg.

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Trevor
2017-06-18 18:27:39 UTC
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Post by gordo
On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:37:01 -0700 (PDT), Greg Carr
Post by Greg Carr
Post by Dhu on Gate
Post by Greg Carr
100 % disagree.
Yah. I know.
You also think it's alright to murder in the name of
Righteousness.
Dhu
--
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglaise.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)
http://babayaga.neotext.ca/PublicKeys/Duncan_Patton_a_Campbell_pu
bkey.txt
Are you saying GOD is a murderer for drowning the entire
population of the Earth except 8 people in the Great Deluge? You
didn't even know how to to send a EFT in 2017.
I am saying there is no god,gods ,male female or spaghetti monster
in the sky.
Odd comment from a Catholic like you gordo
When did you change your mind about religion?
Wasn't long ago you were begging people to save a Catholic nun
Marriages and funerals were Catholic.
I think you are full of crap.
Dhu on Gate
2017-06-19 17:25:58 UTC
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Post by Greg Carr
Post by Dhu on Gate
Post by Greg Carr
100 % disagree.
Yah. I know.
You also think it's alright to murder in the name of Righteousness.
Dhu
--
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglaise.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)
http://babayaga.neotext.ca/PublicKeys/Duncan_Patton_a_Campbell_pubkey.txt
Are you saying GOD is a murderer for drowning the entire population of the Earth except 8 people in the Great Deluge? You didn't even know how to to send a EFT in 2017.
I wanted a faster way to do it.. and as I recollect your
suggestions in the matter were far from useful.

Dhu
--
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglaise.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)

http://babayaga.neotext.ca/PublicKeys/Duncan_Patton_a_Campbell_pubkey.txt
Eric©
2017-06-16 18:40:09 UTC
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Greg Carr wrote...
Post by Greg Carr
Post by Eric©
[1] The appellant was at the relevant times a police officer with the Niagara Regional
Police. He was convicted of conspiracy to smuggle cheese into Canada from the United
States without paying the required duties, and related charges (in contravention of the
Customs Act), and of breach of trust by a public official (in contravention of the
Criminal Code). He was sentenced to three months' imprisonment for the smuggling
offences and to one month's imprisonment, consecutive, on the breach of trust offence.
[2] The appellant does not appeal from the smuggling convictions. However, he seeks to
set aside his conviction for breach of trust. He also seeks leave to appeal, and if
leave is granted, to appeal from both sentences imposed.
The Cheese Smuggling Scheme and CPIC Enquiry
[3] The trial judge succinctly described the gist of the smuggling offences in the
"The offender, a police officer, was the organizer of a racket in which another constable
smuggled cheese across the border from Buffalo to Fort Erie, which cheese was sold to
local restaurants for profit, at discount prices that were made possible by the evasion
of the 246 percent duty. About $133,000 of cheese and other food was smuggled, with the
result that about $325,000 worth of duty was evaded."
https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onca/doc/2017/2017onca441/2017onca441.html
Like it or not (I don't) we have rules about importing dairy products from foreign countries.
It's a tarrif or trade barrier not socialism. Law enforcement officers are suppossed to
uphold the law they are well paid to enforce. He deserves his punishment.
It's true that tariffs aren't in and of themselves 'socialist'. For example Maxime
Bernier's Tory leadership platform called for the removal of all corporate & farm
subsidies in favour of applying tariffs to subsidized products coming from other
countries. (A problem with that is that it would do nothing for Canadian exporters
having to compete with subsidized goods in international markets.)

But these tariffs are an integral part of Canada's socialist dairy supply management
system.
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