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'The carnage in Mali while Trudeau delays'
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Eric©
2017-05-13 21:30:30 UTC
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"It's a slaughterhouse, it extends into other countries, and on both sides the
combatants, tired of fighting this combination of a civil war (or string of civil wars)
and a terrorist insurgency, have started to team up. State authorities in Mauritania,
Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger and Chad are combining their efforts, with French assistance
and U.S. logistical help. On the other side, several militant groups - Ansar Dine, Al-
Mourabitoun and al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb - have merged into a new group, Nusrat
al-Islam wal Muslimeen.

It's all hands on deck, or would be if Canadians were anywhere to be seen."
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-carnage-in-mali-while-trudeau-delays/


Meanwhile,

"OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Justin Trudeau shrugged off calls Friday for a decision on
whether to send troops to Mali, saying his government will take the 'appropriate' time
needed to decide on a peacekeeping mission.

Diplomatic sources have expressed growing impatience and frustration with what they call
foot-dragging by the government after the Liberals promised last August to make up to 600
troops available for peacekeeping.

The government was leaning toward a deployment to Mali, where the UN has been charged
with stabilizing the country after the central government and Tuareg rebels signed a
peace agreement in 2015."
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-says-canada-taking-appropriate-amount-of-time-on-
peacekeeping-decision-1.3411059

http://bit.ly/2qEbK0V


From the federal Liberal election campaign platform, 2015:

"We will renew Canada's commitment to peacekeeping operations.

Under Stephen Harper, Canada has dramatically scaled back its involvement in peace
operations - a decision that could not come at a worse time. As the number of violent
conflicts in the world escalates, demand for international peace operations has never
been greater.

[...]

To help the UN respond more quickly to emerging and escalating conflicts, we will provide
well-trained personnel that can be quickly deployed, including mission commanders, staff
officers, and headquarters units."
https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/promoting-international-peace-and-security/
Dhu on Gate
2017-05-14 01:40:34 UTC
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Post by Eric©
"It's a slaughterhouse, it extends into other countries, and on both sides the
combatants, tired of fighting this combination of a civil war (or string of civil wars)
and a terrorist insurgency, have started to team up. State authorities in Mauritania,
Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger and Chad are combining their efforts, with French assistance
and U.S. logistical help. On the other side, several militant groups - Ansar Dine, Al-
Mourabitoun and al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb - have merged into a new group, Nusrat
al-Islam wal Muslimeen.
It's all hands on deck, or would be if Canadians were anywhere to be seen."
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-carnage-in-mali-while-trudeau-delays/
Meanwhile,
"OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Justin Trudeau shrugged off calls Friday for a decision on
whether to send troops to Mali, saying his government will take the 'appropriate' time
needed to decide on a peacekeeping mission.
Diplomatic sources have expressed growing impatience and frustration with what they call
foot-dragging by the government after the Liberals promised last August to make up to 600
troops available for peacekeeping.
The government was leaning toward a deployment to Mali, where the UN has been charged
with stabilizing the country after the central government and Tuareg rebels signed a
peace agreement in 2015."
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-says-canada-taking-appropriate-amount-of-time-on-
peacekeeping-decision-1.3411059
http://bit.ly/2qEbK0V
"We will renew Canada's commitment to peacekeeping operations.
Under Stephen Harper, Canada has dramatically scaled back its involvement in peace
operations - a decision that could not come at a worse time. As the number of violent
conflicts in the world escalates, demand for international peace operations has never
been greater.
[...]
To help the UN respond more quickly to emerging and escalating conflicts, we will provide
well-trained personnel that can be quickly deployed, including mission commanders, staff
officers, and headquarters units."
https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/promoting-international-peace-and-security/
Running in at the drop of the hat has a history of "Friendly Fire" that a
little calm consideration might avoid.

Dhu
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Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglaise.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)

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Eric©
2017-05-14 20:28:07 UTC
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Dhu on Gate wrote...
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Running in at the drop of the hat has a history of "Friendly Fire" that a
little calm consideration might avoid.
This is hardly Dieppe. The Liberals may be waiting for the Second Coming, although
they're going to look pretty stupid if they haven't done anything by this fall, when
Canada hosts the annual international peacekeeping summit.
Greg Carr
2017-05-15 03:50:33 UTC
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Post by Eric©
"It's a slaughterhouse, it extends into other countries, and on both sides the
combatants, tired of fighting this combination of a civil war (or string of civil wars)
and a terrorist insurgency, have started to team up. State authorities in Mauritania,
Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger and Chad are combining their efforts, with French assistance
and U.S. logistical help. On the other side, several militant groups - Ansar Dine, Al-
Mourabitoun and al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb - have merged into a new group, Nusrat
al-Islam wal Muslimeen.
It's all hands on deck, or would be if Canadians were anywhere to be seen."
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-carnage-in-mali-while-trudeau-delays/
Meanwhile,
"OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Justin Trudeau shrugged off calls Friday for a decision on
whether to send troops to Mali, saying his government will take the 'appropriate' time
needed to decide on a peacekeeping mission.
Diplomatic sources have expressed growing impatience and frustration with what they call
foot-dragging by the government after the Liberals promised last August to make up to 600
troops available for peacekeeping.
The government was leaning toward a deployment to Mali, where the UN has been charged
with stabilizing the country after the central government and Tuareg rebels signed a
peace agreement in 2015."
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-says-canada-taking-appropriate-amount-of-time-on-
peacekeeping-decision-1.3411059
http://bit.ly/2qEbK0V
"We will renew Canada's commitment to peacekeeping operations.
Under Stephen Harper, Canada has dramatically scaled back its involvement in peace
operations - a decision that could not come at a worse time. As the number of violent
conflicts in the world escalates, demand for international peace operations has never
been greater.
[...]
To help the UN respond more quickly to emerging and escalating conflicts, we will provide
well-trained personnel that can be quickly deployed, including mission commanders, staff
officers, and headquarters units."
https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/promoting-international-peace-and-security/
Great post Eric!
David Johnston
2017-05-18 21:03:13 UTC
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Post by Eric©
"It's a slaughterhouse, it extends into other countries, and on both sides the
combatants, tired of fighting this combination of a civil war (or string of civil wars)
and a terrorist insurgency, have started to team up. State authorities in Mauritania,
Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger and Chad are combining their efforts, with French assistance
and U.S. logistical help. On the other side, several militant groups - Ansar Dine, Al-
Mourabitoun and al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb - have merged into a new group, Nusrat
al-Islam wal Muslimeen.
It's all hands on deck, or would be if Canadians were anywhere to be seen."
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-carnage-in-mali-while-trudeau-delays/
Meanwhile,
"OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Justin Trudeau shrugged off calls Friday for a decision on
whether to send troops to Mali, saying his government will take the 'appropriate' time
needed to decide on a peacekeeping mission.
Diplomatic sources have expressed growing impatience and frustration with what they call
foot-dragging by the government after the Liberals promised last August to make up to 600
troops available for peacekeeping.
That doesn't sound like a dumb move. Peacekeepers generally require
some kind of ceasefire to already exist if they are to accomplish
anything.
Eric©
2017-05-18 21:04:41 UTC
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David Johnston wrote...
Post by David Johnston
Post by Eric©
"It's a slaughterhouse, it extends into other countries, and on both sides the
combatants, tired of fighting this combination of a civil war (or string of civil wars)
and a terrorist insurgency, have started to team up. State authorities in Mauritania,
Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger and Chad are combining their efforts, with French assistance
and U.S. logistical help. On the other side, several militant groups - Ansar Dine, Al-
Mourabitoun and al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb - have merged into a new group, Nusrat
al-Islam wal Muslimeen.
It's all hands on deck, or would be if Canadians were anywhere to be seen."
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-carnage-in-mali-while-trudeau-delays/
Meanwhile,
"OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Justin Trudeau shrugged off calls Friday for a decision on
whether to send troops to Mali, saying his government will take the 'appropriate' time
needed to decide on a peacekeeping mission.
Diplomatic sources have expressed growing impatience and frustration with what they call
foot-dragging by the government after the Liberals promised last August to make up to 600
troops available for peacekeeping.
That doesn't sound like a dumb move. Peacekeepers generally require
some kind of ceasefire to already exist if they are to accomplish
anything.
Then the PM ought to make that clear, although I question how likely a formal ceasefire
is in that kind of conflict.
Dave Smith
2017-05-18 21:57:53 UTC
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Post by Eric©
"It's a slaughterhouse, it extends into other countries, and on both sides the
combatants, tired of fighting this combination of a civil war (or string of civil wars)
and a terrorist insurgency, have started to team up. State authorities in Mauritania,
Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger and Chad are combining their efforts, with French assistance
and U.S. logistical help. On the other side, several militant groups - Ansar Dine, Al-
Mourabitoun and al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb - have merged into a new group, Nusrat
al-Islam wal Muslimeen.
It's all hands on deck, or would be if Canadians were anywhere to be seen."
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-carnage-in-mali-while-trudeau-delays/
Meanwhile,
"OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Justin Trudeau shrugged off calls Friday for a decision on
whether to send troops to Mali, saying his government will take the 'appropriate' time
needed to decide on a peacekeeping mission.
Diplomatic sources have expressed growing impatience and frustration with what they call
foot-dragging by the government after the Liberals promised last August to make up to 600
troops available for peacekeeping.
That doesn't sound like a dumb move. Peacekeepers generally require
some kind of ceasefire to already exist if they are to accomplish anything.
The same people who are whining about inaction will be the first to
whine when our troops kill some of the trouble makers.

AFAIAC, they need to relax the rules on engagement and be able to shoot
at the first sign of trouble. If a country is so fucked up that foreign
countries have to send in armed troops, they should not have to worry
about being fired on first.

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