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Joe Clark favours Martin over Harper for PM
Don Dickson
2004-04-25 21:23:54 UTC
In an interview on CTV Joe Clark says that people who believe that Harper
represents the traditional PC values are wrong. He said that in a choice of
evils he would pick Martin over Harper as the best person for PM to represent
the views of the average Canadian. He also says that in the upcoming election
individuals should disregard traditional party loyalties and vote for the
candidate who best represents their personal views.

Also interesting is that Harper who strongly condemned the Liberals for not
supporting the US and sending soldiers to Iraq now says if elected he would not
send troops to Iraq.

Just when you think you have heard everything our politicians can be counted on
to come up with something new.
--
Don Dickson
Claude Brogg
2004-04-25 21:34:01 UTC
Post by Don Dickson
In an interview on CTV Joe Clark says that people who believe that Harper
represents the traditional PC values are wrong. He said that in a choice of
evils he would pick Martin over Harper as the best person for PM to represent
the views of the average Canadian. He also says that in the upcoming election
individuals should disregard traditional party loyalties and vote for the
candidate who best represents their personal views.
Also interesting is that Harper who strongly condemned the Liberals for not
supporting the US and sending soldiers to Iraq now says if elected he would not
send troops to Iraq.
Just when you think you have heard everything our politicians can be counted on
to come up with something new.
--
Don Dickson
Mr. Harper knows that hindsight is 20/20. What real politician doesn't?

I'd rather have a person in charge who can adapt to change and by doing so
can admit to being in error than a stubborn fuck-head who stands by what he
said and is inflexible in the face of a mistake, thinking he's infallible.
We've seen enough of that.
tsarkon
2004-04-25 22:28:13 UTC
Support from Joe Clark is a liability, I'm glad he's supporting Martin.
Way to go Joe.
Claude Brogg
2004-04-25 22:27:36 UTC
Post by tsarkon
Support from Joe Clark is a liability, I'm glad he's supporting Martin.
Way to go Joe.
All I want to know is "is his daughter single?" She was a cutie.
Invective
2004-04-25 22:54:26 UTC
Post by Don Dickson
In an interview on CTV Joe Clark says that people who believe that Harper
represents the traditional PC values are wrong. He said that in a choice of
evils he would pick Martin over Harper as the best person for PM to represent
the views of the average Canadian.
Joe Clark was *never* a conservative of any kind. He was an ambitious young
lawyer largely lacking talent who knew that he'd never get elected as a
Liberal in Alberta. So he joined the PC party as a 'red' tory. He was an
unfortunately bad choice as a compromise during a convention when the party
was divided between two strong candidates, and his leadership was a disaster
from the very first day. Everything he touched turned to crap. Every
decision he made turned out to be wrong. He couldn't count, had no
judgement, and no political savvy. His second time around the party turned
to him as someone the people at least knew, someone who could stabilize the
almost dead PC party. He did that, stabilized it on the edge of death.
As before, he made all the wrong decisions, took all the wrong paths, made
all the wrong choices, alienated Canadians, and made a joke of himself. He
turned the PC party into the Liberal Party Light, but without the slick
political skills, and with no real alternatives or ideas to what the real
Liberals were doing. He was nothing more than a pompous windbag living off
his reputation as "Earnest, honest young Mr. Clark", but he was no longer
earnest, honest or young.

His choice of Martin over Harper shows both his sulky resentment at the
party abandoning him and ignoring his wishes, and his level of comfort with
liberalism - however corrupt or filled with graft - over anything resembling
conservative values.
No one with any brains would let Joe Clark make a political decision for
them except as an example pointing in the wrong direction. If Joe Clark says
Martin is the way to go it ought to be a blinding wake-up call to those
thinking of voting Liberal.
Post by Don Dickson
Also interesting is that Harper who strongly condemned the Liberals for not
supporting the US and sending soldiers to Iraq now says if elected he would not
send troops to Iraq.
I don't know his exact words, but Canada is not in a position to send troops
now. We have nothing to send.
Anonymous/Remailer
2004-04-25 23:41:02 UTC
Post by Don Dickson
In an interview on CTV Joe Clark says that people who believe that Harper
represents the traditional PC values (snipped)
By "traditional PC values" the idiot Clark and you, of course mean, politically correct values.
Not conservative, right wing or common sense values.

Both Joe Clark and Paul Martin are limp-wristed socialists.

Good God! Of course, Clark would prefer Martin over Stephen Harper. How can you be so stupid?

As for Harper's saying he would not be in favor of sending Canadian troops to
Iraq now, that is not a reversal. It is a reassessment brought
about by changed situation there. I would agree with him.

Troops in Iraq now are bogged down in thankless and futile peacemaking, policing
and nation building, which can never be successful in this Muslim country. The situation is
not the same as it was during the invasion of Iraq over a year ago.

Further, with Canada's emaciated military being already stretched too thin, it would be physically
impossible to send well-trained and equipped Canadian troops to Iraq.
Peter White
2004-04-25 23:47:46 UTC
Post by Anonymous/Remailer
Post by Don Dickson
In an interview on CTV Joe Clark says that people who believe that Harper
represents the traditional PC values (snipped)
By "traditional PC values" the idiot Clark and you, of course mean, politically correct values.
Not conservative, right wing or common sense values.
Both Joe Clark and Paul Martin are limp-wristed socialists.
Good God! Of course, Clark would prefer Martin over Stephen Harper. How can you be so stupid?
As for Harper's saying he would not be in favor of sending Canadian troops to
Iraq now, that is not a reversal. It is a reassessment brought
about by changed situation there. I would agree with him.
Troops in Iraq now are bogged down in thankless and futile peacemaking, policing
and nation building, which can never be successful in this Muslim country. The situation is
not the same as it was during the invasion of Iraq over a year ago.
Further, with Canada's emaciated military being already stretched too thin, it would be physically
impossible to send well-trained and equipped Canadian troops to Iraq.
When did Harper learn to wink with both eyes?
He gets away with except at times like this when he tries to use both
eyes at the same time.
Don Dickson
2004-04-25 23:59:46 UTC
Post by Anonymous/Remailer
As for Harper's saying he would not be in favor of sending Canadian troops to
Iraq now, that is not a reversal. It is a reassessment brought
about by changed situation there. I would agree with him.
Oh I see. If you are a Harper supporter and he does an about face it's a
"reassessment". But if a politician of the NDP or Liberal parties makes a
"reassessment" it's okay for Harper to call them wishy-washy.
Post by Anonymous/Remailer
Further, with Canada's emaciated military being already stretched too thin,
it would be physically impossible to send well-trained and equipped Canadian
troops to Iraq.
That situation has not changed since BEFORE the Iraq war started but Harper
wanted to send them when the US first went in.
--
Don Dickson
dave
2004-04-26 00:37:07 UTC
Post by Anonymous/Remailer
Post by Don Dickson
In an interview on CTV Joe Clark says that people who believe that Harper
represents the traditional PC values (snipped)
By "traditional PC values" the idiot Clark and you, of course mean, politically correct values.
Not conservative, right wing or common sense values.
Oh by that you mean the $33 billion dollar deficits per year
that ah, Brian Mulroney's Government was running,
( under Finance Minster Micheal Wilson )?

I think I understand you now, those *stupid values" that
got Canada in this present financial mess with find ourselves
in today?


Hmmm, no common sense there....
Post by Anonymous/Remailer
Both Joe Clark and Paul Martin are limp-wristed socialists.
I'm sorry Don, the only one who does the "two-stroke" around
Parliment there is good'ol Steven Harper...
Post by Anonymous/Remailer
Good God! Of course, Clark would prefer Martin over Stephen Harper. How can you be so stupid?
You obviously don't get it, do you shit for brains. Joe Clark
represented the more moderate Conservative majority within the
voting public.

If he says he's against Harper, and instead for Paul Martin,
well now, let's just say that all the advertising money in the
world won't win back those people that hear these comments,
those that know and remember the former Prime Minister.

Face it Don, in eubonics, the New Conservative are otherwise
in a state of "we be fucked",
before the national election even gets off the ground.
Post by Anonymous/Remailer
As for Harper's saying he would not be in favor of sending Canadian troops to
Iraq now, that is not a reversal. It is a reassessment brought
about by changed situation there. I would agree with him.
There's a far more accurate word for that, and it's called a
" complete political reversal", dumb ass, because Harper's
got his head so far up his ass he can't find nor smell
the truth...

Just over 85% of Canadians think CHREITIEN, yeah, that guy, did
the right thing with not supporting the US. Go figure...
Post by Anonymous/Remailer
Troops in Iraq now are bogged down in thankless and futile peacemaking, policing
and nation building, which can never be successful in this Muslim country. The situation is
not the same as it was during the invasion of Iraq over a year ago.
Of course not. The Sihittes were against Saddam Hussien and the
ruling Sunni minority that Hussien represented. Now that the
US is in there, exploting the oil resources of this country
for it's own benefit, the US has merely managed to piss off
the Shittes as well with their criminal behaviour.

But then, with only 5% of the army around to resist the American
army, Iraq easily fell. Now, with over 20% of the population
pissed off with the Americans, the war of attrition has begun.

Nothing like this has been seen since Vietnam, and now you'll
see George Bush try to implement the draft in order to get enough
feet on the ground to keep the peace alive in Iraq.

I don't know, do you think 100+ American lives per month was
worth it, since the reasons for going to war with Iraq was
simply made up, and untrue?


Face it, even now Harper is giving Chreitien his due;
Chretien called the right play, and not even Harper can stand
up and debate that the former Prime Minister did not exercise
good, sound, and reasonable judgement to be against the
American unlawful invasion of Iraq.


Face it, if the Liberals passed a law against inbreeding, the
Conservative Party members and supporters would simply disappear
and would die off within a single generation...
Post by Anonymous/Remailer
Further, with Canada's emaciated military being already stretched too thin, it would be physically
impossible to send well-trained and equipped Canadian troops to Iraq.
Why go to Iraq, when Afganistan is not yet finished with, hmmm?

Why is the war on terror stopped with a war on Iraq, a country
that had nothing to do with terrorism in the first place?

Why did Mulroney bleed the Army dry of funding during the mid
1980's to 1990's, and nothing was ever said until the Liberals
took over, and started reading the books?



God, some one must have cut off your gentialia, and used them
as a thumb-tack your brains on a washroom wall somewhere...

Fuck, Conservatives are so, so dumb.
The Doctor
2004-04-26 01:00:19 UTC
Post by Claude Brogg
Post by tsarkon
Support from Joe Clark is a liability, I'm glad he's supporting Martin.
Way to go Joe.
All I want to know is "is his daughter single?" She was a cutie.
Catherine got married.
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The Doctor
2004-04-26 01:00:04 UTC
Post by tsarkon
Support from Joe Clark is a liability, I'm glad he's supporting Martin.
Way to go Joe.
Mulroney supporting Harper is a BIG liability!!
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"The Right One"
2004-04-26 01:11:46 UTC
Post by Don Dickson
In an interview on CTV Joe Clark says that people who believe that Harper
represents the traditional PC values are wrong. He said that in a choice
of
Post by Don Dickson
evils he would pick Martin over Harper as the best person for PM to
represent
Post by Don Dickson
the views of the average Canadian. He also says that in the upcoming
election
Post by Don Dickson
individuals should disregard traditional party loyalties and vote for the
candidate who best represents their personal views.
Also interesting is that Harper who strongly condemned the Liberals for
not
Post by Don Dickson
supporting the US and sending soldiers to Iraq now says if elected he
would not
Post by Don Dickson
send troops to Iraq.
Just when you think you have heard everything our politicians can be
counted on
Post by Don Dickson
to come up with something new.
--
Don Dickson
Joe Clark is a bitter person. He has just discovered that He is a would be
leader who couldn't
lead a horse to water even if they watered the Oats.


--
Terry Pearson
http://www.rightpoint.org
The last ten years have been a decade
of diabolical decadence.
If You Support Paul Martin And The Liberals,
Then You Support Crime!
What example are you setting for your Children?
Peter White
2004-04-26 01:20:35 UTC
Post by Don Dickson
Post by Don Dickson
In an interview on CTV Joe Clark says that people who believe that Harper
represents the traditional PC values are wrong. He said that in a choice
of
Post by Don Dickson
evils he would pick Martin over Harper as the best person for PM to
represent
Post by Don Dickson
the views of the average Canadian. He also says that in the upcoming
election
Post by Don Dickson
individuals should disregard traditional party loyalties and vote for the
candidate who best represents their personal views.
Also interesting is that Harper who strongly condemned the Liberals for
not
Post by Don Dickson
supporting the US and sending soldiers to Iraq now says if elected he
would not
Post by Don Dickson
send troops to Iraq.
Just when you think you have heard everything our politicians can be
counted on
Post by Don Dickson
to come up with something new.
--
Don Dickson
Joe Clark is a bitter person. He has just discovered that He is a would be
leader who couldn't
lead a horse to water even if they watered the Oats.
What are deOats?
Post by Don Dickson
--
Terry Pearson
http://www.rightpoint.org
The last ten years have been a decade
of diabolical decadence.
If You Support Paul Martin And The Liberals,
Then You Support Crime!
What example are you setting for your Children?
Justa Guy
2004-04-26 02:46:20 UTC
Post by Don Dickson
Post by Don Dickson
In an interview on CTV Joe Clark says that people who believe that Harper
represents the traditional PC values are wrong. He said that in a choice
of
Post by Don Dickson
evils he would pick Martin over Harper as the best person for PM to
represent
Post by Don Dickson
the views of the average Canadian. He also says that in the upcoming
election
Post by Don Dickson
individuals should disregard traditional party loyalties and vote for the
candidate who best represents their personal views.
Also interesting is that Harper who strongly condemned the Liberals for
not
Post by Don Dickson
supporting the US and sending soldiers to Iraq now says if elected he
would not
Post by Don Dickson
send troops to Iraq.
Just when you think you have heard everything our politicians can be
counted on
Post by Don Dickson
to come up with something new.
--
Don Dickson
Mr. Harper knows that hindsight is 20/20. What real politician doesn't?
I'd rather have a person in charge who can adapt to change and by doing so
can admit to being in error than a stubborn fuck-head who stands by what he
said and is inflexible in the face of a mistake, thinking he's infallible.
We've seen enough of that.
I don't care who is in charge AS LONG AS he is not from Quebec.
We need a leader from outside Quebec that thinks of Canada as
something a little larger than Quebec.
Harper will get my vote for that reason alone.
Hopefully he will retain some of his tenacity and not sell us out if
he wins.
I had hopes for Martin, but can we *really* ever trust a Liberal?
Un Patriote
2004-04-26 03:56:52 UTC
Post by The Doctor
Post by tsarkon
Support from Joe Clark is a liability, I'm glad he's supporting Martin.
Way to go Joe.
Mulroney supporting Harper is a BIG liability!!
Yes, to English Canada as a whole.

English Canada's chronic inability to generate the new set of national
political figures to overtake the older one and to move away from
Negro Kings from Quebec IS what is sinking the colonial imposture as
Indirect Rule did to the British Empire...

The nation of Quebec dumps its political garbage on your doorsteps and
you convert the worst of it as your Saviors and your Messiahs...
Un Patriote
2004-04-26 08:53:38 UTC
Post by The Doctor
Post by tsarkon
Support from Joe Clark is a liability, I'm glad he's supporting Martin.
Way to go Joe.
Mulroney supporting Harper is a BIG liability!!
Yes, to English Canada as a whole.

English Canada's chronic inability to generate the new set of national
political figures to overtake those of the previous generation, and to
move away from Negro Kings from Quebec IS what is sinking the
colonial imposture as Indirect Rule did to the British Empire...

The nation of Quebec dumps its political garbage on your doorsteps and
you convert the worst of it as your Saviors and your Messiahs...

That the theme of National Unity originated around the Union Act of
1841 is still, 163 years later English Canada's main concern should
have triggered an alarm signal a long time ago... From generation to
generation found themselves at the switch, brain deads...
E. Barry Bruyea
2004-04-26 10:39:26 UTC
Post by Don Dickson
In an interview on CTV Joe Clark says that people who believe that Harper
represents the traditional PC values are wrong. He said that in a choice of
evils he would pick Martin over Harper as the best person for PM to represent
the views of the average Canadian. He also says that in the upcoming election
individuals should disregard traditional party loyalties and vote for the
candidate who best represents their personal views.
Also interesting is that Harper who strongly condemned the Liberals for not
supporting the US and sending soldiers to Iraq now says if elected he would not
send troops to Iraq.
Just when you think you have heard everything our politicians can be counted on
to come up with something new.
Whether Harper would make a better P.M. or not is something that we
will or won't see; but the fact that a politician who is and has been
irrelevant for many years opens his mouth, touting one or the other,
goes public with his opinion, is a non-news story and could even swing
votes away from 'his' choice.
Don Dickson
2004-04-26 11:02:20 UTC
Post by dave
Post by Anonymous/Remailer
Post by Don Dickson
In an interview on CTV Joe Clark says that people who believe that Harper
represents the traditional PC values (snipped)
By "traditional PC values" the idiot Clark and you, of course mean,
politically correct values.
Not conservative, right wing or common sense values.
Oh by that you mean the $33 billion dollar deficits per year
that ah, Brian Mulroney's Government was running,
( under Finance Minster Micheal Wilson )?
I think I understand you now, those *stupid values" that
got Canada in this present financial mess with find ourselves
in today?
Hmmm, no common sense there....
Post by Anonymous/Remailer
Both Joe Clark and Paul Martin are limp-wristed socialists.
I'm sorry Don, the only one who does the "two-stroke" around
Parliment there is good'ol Steven Harper...
Dave
I don't want the credit for brown stuff that Anonymous Remailer spreads.
--
Don Dickson
Valentine Michael Smith
2004-04-26 11:36:45 UTC
Post by Don Dickson
Just when you think you have heard everything our politicians can be counted on
to come up with something new.
It's just one more proof of how little choice there is in politics -
why are you suprised ?
........

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That it is not he or she or them or it
That you belong to.

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The Doctor
2004-04-26 13:49:37 UTC
Post by Un Patriote
Post by The Doctor
Post by tsarkon
Support from Joe Clark is a liability, I'm glad he's supporting Martin.
Way to go Joe.
Mulroney supporting Harper is a BIG liability!!
Yes, to English Canada as a whole.
English Canada's chronic inability to generate the new set of national
political figures to overtake the older one and to move away from
Negro Kings from Quebec IS what is sinking the colonial imposture as
Indirect Rule did to the British Empire...
The nation of Quebec dumps its political garbage on your doorsteps and
you convert the worst of it as your Saviors and your Messiahs...
Mulroney on his own is a disaster. Even Quebec despises him.
--
Member - Liberal International
This is ***@nl2k.ab.ca Ici ***@nl2k.ab.ca
God Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Patriots - This is the time to wave your sword and declare your alligence!!
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