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The global surge in oil demand
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Hillbilly Davis
2017-10-04 00:36:43 UTC
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 14:47:28 -0500, Unum says...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/10/02/death-of-diesel-begins-as-gm-announces-plans-for-all-electric-future/
He's not TALKING about Diesels, you dumb fucking basement dwelling nerd.
After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors ? one of the world?s largest automakers ? announced Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
He's also talking about the here and NOW, not future. There are more and
more cars being put on the roads, DAILY, and electric cars are NOT being
bought anywhere NEAR what GASOLINE cars are.

What a fucking denier.
Chom Noamsky
2017-10-04 01:24:05 UTC
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 14:47:28 -0500, Unum says...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/10/02/death-of-diesel-begins-as-gm-announces-plans-for-all-electric-future/
He's not TALKING about Diesels, you dumb fucking basement dwelling nerd.
After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors ? one of the world?s largest automakers ? announced Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
He's also talking about the here and NOW, not future. There are more and
more cars being put on the roads, DAILY, and electric cars are NOT being
bought anywhere NEAR what GASOLINE cars are.
What a fucking denier.
The short story about why environmental alarmists have no credibility.

1970s:

Ohmerghad, soon there will be no more oil in the ground!

2010s:

Ohmerghad, there's too much oil, gotta leave it in the ground!
Yeung The Coward
2017-10-04 02:05:38 UTC
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 18:24:05 -0700, Chom Noamsky says...
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Post by Hillbilly Davis
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 14:47:28 -0500, Unum says...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/10/02/death-of-diesel-begins-as-gm-announces-plans-for-all-electric-future/
He's not TALKING about Diesels, you dumb fucking basement dwelling nerd.
After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors ? one of the world?s largest automakers ? announced Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
He's also talking about the here and NOW, not future. There are more and
more cars being put on the roads, DAILY, and electric cars are NOT being
bought anywhere NEAR what GASOLINE cars are.
What a fucking denier.
The short story about why environmental alarmists have no credibility.
Ohmerghad, soon there will be no more oil in the ground!
Annnnnd: It's cold... we're heading for another Ice Age.
Post by Chom Noamsky
Ohmerghad, there's too much oil, gotta leave it in the ground!
Annnnnd: It's .15°F warmer than 130 years ago... we're all gonna fry and
die!

[giggle]
Greg Carr
2017-10-05 04:13:30 UTC
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 14:47:28 -0500, Unum says...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/10/02/death-of-diesel-begins-as-gm-announces-plans-for-all-electric-future/
He's not TALKING about Diesels, you dumb fucking basement dwelling nerd.
After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors ? one of the world?s largest automakers ? announced Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
He's also talking about the here and NOW, not future. There are more and
more cars being put on the roads, DAILY, and electric cars are NOT being
bought anywhere NEAR what GASOLINE cars are.
What a fucking denier.
The short story about why environmental alarmists have no credibility.
Ohmerghad, soon there will be no more oil in the ground!
Ohmerghad, there's too much oil, gotta leave it in the ground!
:-) Remember the Club Of Rome and their doomsday babblings in the 70's.
Unum
2017-10-04 05:10:37 UTC
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Post by Hillbilly Davis
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 14:47:28 -0500, Unum says...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/10/02/death-of-diesel-begins-as-gm-announces-plans-for-all-electric-future/
He's not TALKING about Diesels, you dumb fucking basement dwelling nerd.
Woo, so darn angry and frustrated! Didn't even read the article did you.
Post by Hillbilly Davis
After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors ? one of the world?s largest automakers ? announced Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
He's also talking about the here and NOW, not future. There are more and
more cars being put on the roads, DAILY, and electric cars are NOT being
bought anywhere NEAR what GASOLINE cars are.
All that obsolete combustion engine crap is on the way out. China and India
have both set deployment mandates for EV's and all the car manufacturers
have announced plans to ramp them up in a big way. You can try to shove your
head farther up your ass and deny it spamboy, won't change a thing.

"A study by the Boston Consulting Group earlier this year said it will likely
cost half as much per mile to use ride-sharing compared to owning a vehicle,
estimating that more than one-quarter of the miles Americans spend in
automobiles by 2030 will be in models that are electrified, driverless, and
operated by ride-sharing services. A more controversial report by reThinkX put
that at closer to 90 percent."
Yeung The Coward
2017-10-04 05:38:06 UTC
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 00:10:37 -0500, Unum says...
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He's not TALKING about Diesels, you dumb fucking basement dwelling nerd.
Woo, so darn angry and frustrated! Didn't even read the article did you.
God, you're so fucking stupid.

"Death of gas and DIESEL..."

"Reuss avoided naming the year when the auto giant will cease producing
gas and DIESEL vehicles..."
Sgt. Rock
2017-10-04 14:46:37 UTC
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All that obsolete combustion engine crap is on the way out.
Nope.

We still have plenty of needs and uses where electric FAILS.
Bud Frawley
2017-10-04 15:47:54 UTC
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 14:47:28 -0500, Unum says...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/10/02/death-of-diesel-begins-as-gm-announces-plans-for-all-electric-future/
He's not TALKING about Diesels, you dumb fucking basement dwelling nerd.
After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors ? one of the world?s largest automakers ? announced Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
He's also talking about the here and NOW, not future. There are more and
more cars being put on the roads, DAILY, and electric cars are NOT being
bought anywhere NEAR what GASOLINE cars are.
What a fucking denier.
OMG I guess you do'nt care about the truth! my cousin sell's card for a
living and you no what he told me? he ca'nt get enough electric car's to
satisfy the demand because DUMP"S butt buddy's in the oil company's are
paying them to cut back production so's they build only gas car's! you
think that's not the truth? then I guess your smarter then someone which
has been selling car's his whole life! you better show me some stat's!
Sgt. Rock
2017-10-04 16:03:14 UTC
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I guess your smarter then someone
I guess the sight of pickaxe in your head would be a welcome treat!
Bob F
2017-10-04 16:09:30 UTC
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I guess your smarter then someone
I guess the sight of pickaxe in your head would be a welcome treat!
Ahhh. Another fine example of rightie "thinking". And you clowns wonder
why you cannot sell your BS.
Sgt. Rock
2017-10-04 16:12:43 UTC
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I guess your smarter then someone
I guess the sight of pickaxe in your head would be a welcome treat!
Ahhh.  Another fine example of rightie "thinking". And you clowns wonder
why you cannot sell your BS.
Ain't selling a damned thing bro - just making up a wish list for X-mas!
BumbleBee
2017-10-04 16:11:27 UTC
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electric cars are NOT being
bought anywhere NEAR what GASOLINE cars are.
What a fucking denier.
OMG I guess you do'nt care about the truth! my cousin sell's card for a
living and you no what he told me? he ca'nt get enough electric car's to
satisfy the demand because DUMP"S butt buddy's in the oil company's are
paying them to cut back production so's they build only gas car's! you
think that's not the truth? then I guess your smarter then someone which
has been selling car's his whole life! you better show me some stat's!
You are a consummate 1/2 wit, "bud"...


https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-auto-sales-december-2016-2017-1

Total US EV sales 2016 - 158,614

Total US vehicle sales 2016 - 18.4 million
Bob F
2017-10-04 17:43:19 UTC
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electric cars are NOT being
bought anywhere NEAR what GASOLINE cars are.
What a fucking denier.
OMG I guess you do'nt care about the truth! my cousin sell's card for a
living and you no what he told me? he ca'nt get enough electric car's to
satisfy the demand because DUMP"S butt buddy's in the oil company's are
paying them to cut back production so's they build only gas car's! you
think that's not the truth? then I guess your smarter then someone which
has been selling car's his whole life! you better show me some stat's!
You are a consummate 1/2 wit, "bud"...
https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-auto-sales-december-2016-2017-1
Total US EV sales 2016 - 158,614
Total US vehicle sales 2016 - 18.4 million
Things are changing. At some point, you are going to have to deal with
it. Electrics are clearly a big deal these days. Sales are growing FAST.
BumbleBee
2017-10-04 17:51:59 UTC
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electric cars are NOT being
bought anywhere NEAR what GASOLINE cars are.
What a fucking denier.
OMG I guess you do'nt care about the truth! my cousin sell's card for a
living and you no what he told me? he ca'nt get enough electric car's to
satisfy the demand because DUMP"S butt buddy's in the oil company's are
paying them to cut back production so's they build only gas car's! you
think that's not the truth? then I guess your smarter then someone which
has been selling car's his whole life! you better show me some stat's!
You are a consummate 1/2 wit, "bud"...
https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-auto-sales-december-2016-2017-1
Total US EV sales 2016 - 158,614
Total US vehicle sales 2016 - 18.4 million
Things are changing.
Things are _always changing...
Post by Bob F
At some point, you are going to have to deal with
it. Electrics are clearly a big deal these days. Sales are growing FAST.
Remember when they almost OWNED the early car market?

Mmm hmm...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car

Thomas Parker built the first practical production electric car in
London in 1884, using his own specially designed high-capacity
rechargeable batteries.[2][10][11] The Flocken Elektrowagen of 1888 was
designed by German inventor Andreas Flocken.[12] Electric cars were
among the preferred methods for automobile propulsion in the late 19th
century and early 20th century, providing a level of comfort and ease of
operation that could not be achieved by the gasoline cars of the
time.[13] The electric vehicle stock peaked at approximately 30,000
vehicles at the turn of the 20th century.[14]

In 1897, electric cars found their first commercial use in the USA.
Based on the design of the Electrobat II, a fleet of twelve hansom cabs
and one brougham were used in New York City as part of a project funded
in part by the Electric Storage Battery Company of Philadelphia.[15]
During the 20th century, the main manufacturers of electric vehicles in
the US were Anthony Electric, Baker, Columbia, Anderson, Edison, Riker,
Milburn and others. Unlike gasoline-powered vehicles, the electric ones
were less fast and less noisy, and did not require gear changes. [16]

Advances in internal combustion engines in the first decade of the 20th
century lessened the relative advantages of the electric car. The
greater range of gasoline cars, and their much quicker refueling times,
made them more popular and encouraged a rapid expansion of petroleum
infrastructure, making gasoline easy to find, but what proved decisive
was the introduction in 1912 of the electric starter motor which
replaced other, often laborious, methods of starting the ICE, such as
hand-cranking.


Shall we parse whether STEAM is a good energy transfer medium too???
Unum
2017-10-04 20:53:59 UTC
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electric cars are NOT being
bought anywhere NEAR what GASOLINE cars are.
What a fucking denier.
OMG I guess you do'nt care about the truth! my cousin sell's card for a
living and you no what he told me? he ca'nt get enough electric car's to
satisfy the demand because DUMP"S butt buddy's in the oil company's are
paying them to cut back production so's they build only gas car's! you
think that's not the truth? then I guess your smarter then someone which
has been selling car's his whole life! you better show me some stat's!
You are a consummate 1/2 wit, "bud"...
https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-auto-sales-december-2016-2017-1
Total US EV sales 2016 - 158,614
Total US vehicle sales 2016 - 18.4 million
Things are changing. At some point, you are going to have to deal with it.
Electrics are clearly a big deal these days. Sales are growing FAST.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/10/02/death-of-diesel-begins-as-gm-announces-plans-for-all-electric-future/

After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.

The acceleration to an all-electric future will begin almost immediately, with
GM releasing two new electric models next year and an additional 18 by 2023.

On Monday, Ford announced plans to create a group known as “Team Edison” that
is to be tasked with developing fully electric cars. Sherif Marakby, Ford’s
head of electrification and autonomous vehicles, told Automotive News that the
company is on pace to produce 13 electrified vehicles over the next five
years.
Hillbilly Davis
2017-10-04 21:46:51 UTC
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 15:53:59 -0500, Unum says...
After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors - one of the world's largest automakers - announced Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, like Al Gore's point of no return.

When will the NEXT one be, basement boy?

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When asked about his 2006 prediction that unless nations took "drastic
measures" then the Earth "would reach a point of no return within 10
years," former Democratic Vice President Al Gore did not answer the
question and instead said, "a lot of serious damage has been done."

LOL... there's been "serious damage being done to the Earth since the Big
Banglocene, MORON. Ever here of earthquakes and volcanoes and hurricanes
and droughts and any OTHER natural extreme climate of geological event?

What an idiot.

Even the left has its doubts about whether the sequel will do more harm
than good by reinforcing Mr. Gore's status as the face of the movement to
protect the climate.

The liberal New Republic aired those concerns in a Monday article
headlined "The Troubling Return of Al Gore," which said that "not everyone
on the left is celebrating Gore's reemergence" and described him as "the
most polarizing figure in climate politics."

"Having a highly partisan spokesman who instantly divides the public
between support and opposition is doing the climate campaigners no
favors."

"Gore turns off half the audience before the film even starts, just by
virtue of him being a divisive player in American politics."
Bob F
2017-10-04 22:36:32 UTC
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 15:53:59 -0500, Unum says...
After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors - one of the world's largest automakers - announced Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, like Al Gore's point of no return.
When will the NEXT one be, basement boy?
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When asked about his 2006 prediction that unless nations took "drastic
measures" then the Earth "would reach a point of no return within 10
years," former Democratic Vice President Al Gore did not answer the
question and instead said, "a lot of serious damage has been done."
LOL... there's been "serious damage being done to the Earth since the Big
Banglocene, MORON. Ever here of earthquakes and volcanoes and hurricanes
and droughts and any OTHER natural extreme climate of geological event?
What an idiot.
Even the left has its doubts about whether the sequel will do more harm
than good by reinforcing Mr. Gore's status as the face of the movement to
protect the climate.
The liberal New Republic aired those concerns in a Monday article
headlined "The Troubling Return of Al Gore," which said that "not everyone
on the left is celebrating Gore's reemergence" and described him as "the
most polarizing figure in climate politics."
"Having a highly partisan spokesman who instantly divides the public
between support and opposition is doing the climate campaigners no
favors."
"Gore turns off half the audience before the film even starts, just by
virtue of him being a divisive player in American politics."
Only because the radical right has demonized him for years because he
brought awareness of the problems of massive CO2 release to this planets
environment. They do this because otherwise, the fossil fuel companies
would actually have to respond to the immense damage that their products
are going to cause.

If anyone wants to read about the development of this radical right, and
their real reasons for wanting to control America's economy and
politics, I highly recommend the book Democracy in Chains by Nancy MacLean.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/books/review/democracy-in-chains-nancy-maclean.html
AlleyCat
2017-10-04 23:02:12 UTC
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 15:36:32 -0700, Bob F says...
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Only because the radical right has demonized him
No... his LIES, misleading and FAILED predictions, have made him a running
joke, EVEN to leftist.

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Reinstating snipped PERTINENT information:

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The liberal New Republic article:

"The Troubling Return of Al Gore"

"Not everyone on the LEFT is celebrating Gore's reemergence."

"The most polarizing figure in climate politics."

"Having a highly partisan spokesman who instantly divides the public
between support and opposition is doing the climate campaigners no
favors."

"Gore turns off half the audience before the film even starts, just by
virtue of him being a divisive player in American politics."

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problems of massive CO2 release
Ummm... we put out a MASSIVE release of CO²?

Wrong. Not compared to the TOTAL.

WE put out LESS than 4% or the total CO². The "fossil-fuel" industry puts
out a lot LESS than the screaming meemees on the left rant about.

TERMITES still kick our asses, when it comes to CO² release.

Don't believe me? Look it up.
Sgt. Rock
2017-10-04 23:25:40 UTC
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"Gore turns off half the audience before the film even starts, just by
virtue of him being a divisive player in American politics."
Only because the radical right has demonized him for years because he
brought awareness of the problems
Lying =/ "awareness".

The Goreon needs that fucking lie of a hockey stick shoved straight up
his giant gaping arsehole, along with the telephone book-sized electric
and gas receipts for his heavy carbon footprint mansions!

The raving fat hypocrite!


And fuck you straight to Hell too, ya leftarded asshole!
BumbleBee
2017-10-04 23:21:24 UTC
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After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
Bullshit!

No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul diesel,
cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc.


Grow a BRAIN!~
Unum
2017-10-05 02:29:58 UTC
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After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
Bullshit!
No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul diesel, cube
delivery, snowplow truck, etc.
Obvious lie, Tesla will demonstrate the Tesla Semi truck prototype
shortly. It won't be long before long haul trucks are autonomous
electric vehicles.

"Reuters reported earlier this month that Tesla is developing self-driving
capability for the big rig."
BumbleBee
2017-10-05 04:07:08 UTC
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After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
Bullshit!
No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul
diesel, cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc.
Obvious lie, Tesla will demonstrate the Tesla Semi truck prototype
shortly. It won't be long before long haul trucks are autonomous
electric vehicles.
Tesla is smoke & mirrors.

Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
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"Reuters reported earlier this month that Tesla is developing self-driving
capability for the big rig."
Bud already did that.
Unum
2017-10-05 04:24:28 UTC
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After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
Bullshit!
No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul diesel,
cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc.
Obvious lie, Tesla will demonstrate the Tesla Semi truck prototype
shortly. It won't be long before long haul trucks are autonomous
electric vehicles.
Tesla is smoke & mirrors.
A lot of people don't appear to share your personal opinion.
Post by BumbleBee
Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing. Something very close to it
is going to be demonstrated this month.
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Post by Unum
"Reuters reported earlier this month that Tesla is developing self-driving
capability for the big rig."
Bud already did that.
Yap yap yap.
Hillbilly Davis
2017-10-05 05:29:32 UTC
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Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Oh yeah... liberal disease. Makes you
unable to tell the truth AND incapable of reading comprehension.

He said: "No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul
diesel, cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc."

He said there will NEVER be total replacement, not that there "would never
be such a thing", liar.

As long as there's still oil to be refined into diesel... actually refined
into gasoline... diesel's more of a by-product of the refinement... there
will always be long-haul DIESEL-powered trucks.

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YOU and I will never see "mass" use of electric long-haul trucks. Tell us
how much these supposed electric long-haul trucks will initially cost.

"SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) next month plans to unveil
an electric big-rig truck with a working range of 200 to 300 miles,
Reuters has learned, a sign that the electric car maker is targeting
regional hauling for its entry into the commercial freight market."

"REGIONAL", is NOT long-haul, and 200 to 300 miles is NOT what a long-haul
driver covers. By law, they can drive 10 hours straight. Do the math.

"Based on current prices, those packs (batteries) would cost between
$290,000 and $450,000. A comparable diesel rig costs about $120,000,
TOTAL."

"Price isn't the only question: Federal rules limit trucks' gross weight
to 40 tons. Considering the heft of the battery pack, plus things like the
cab, trailer, and wheels, the researchers figure a 600-mile-ready Tesla
truck could carry just nine tons of cargo. That's two-thirds the current
average payload of 16 tons."

Ain't in the cards, basement boy.

"Even Elon Musk May Not Be Able to Make an Electric Truck Work" -
wired.com
Unum
2017-10-05 15:56:40 UTC
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 23:24:28 -0500, Unum says...
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Post by BumbleBee
Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Oh yeah... liberal disease. Makes you
unable to tell the truth AND incapable of reading comprehension.
He said: "No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul
diesel, cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc."
He said there will NEVER be total replacement, not that there "would never
be such a thing", liar.
You pathetic little dimwit.
Post by Hillbilly Davis
As long as there's still oil to be refined into diesel... actually refined
into gasoline... diesel's more of a by-product of the refinement... there
will always be long-haul DIESEL-powered trucks.
There will always be buggywhips as long as there is leather to make
them with! But long-haul DIESEL-powered trucks will disappear when
there are EV versions that are cleaner and cheaper to operate.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112434_cummins-electric-semi-truck-traditional-maker-takes-on-tesla
BumbleBee
2017-10-05 17:28:08 UTC
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 23:24:28 -0500,  Unum says...
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Post by BumbleBee
Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Oh yeah... liberal disease. Makes you
unable to tell the truth AND incapable of reading comprehension.
He said:  "No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long
haul
diesel, cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc."
He said there will NEVER be total replacement, not that there "would never
be such a thing", liar.
You pathetic little dimwit.
Ie, you acknowledge the lie.

Next!
Post by Unum
As long as there's still oil to be refined into diesel... actually refined
into gasoline... diesel's more of a by-product of the refinement... there
will always be long-haul DIESEL-powered trucks.
There will always be buggywhips as long as there is leather to make
them with! But long-haul DIESEL-powered trucks will disappear when
there are EV versions that are cleaner and cheaper to operate.
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112434_cummins-electric-semi-truck-traditional-maker-takes-on-tesla
T'aint in the nature of electrics or batteries to go coast to coast 10
hrs. at a time hauling 30,000 -40,000 lbs.

Period.

From the citation you partly read:

" Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by
that time; the company promises 100 miles of range.

That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."

That is NOT long haul trucking, PERIOD!

End of idiotic claim circle jerk.
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Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Oh yeah... liberal disease. Makes you
unable to tell the truth AND incapable of reading comprehension.
He said:  "No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul
diesel, cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc."
He said there will NEVER be total replacement, not that there "would never
be such a thing", liar.
You pathetic little dimwit.
Ie, you acknowledge the lie.
Next!
So you're just as full of shit as he is?
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As long as there's still oil to be refined into diesel... actually refined
into gasoline... diesel's more of a by-product of the refinement... there
will always be long-haul DIESEL-powered trucks.
There will always be buggywhips as long as there is leather to make
them with! But long-haul DIESEL-powered trucks will disappear when
there are EV versions that are cleaner and cheaper to operate.
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112434_cummins-electric-semi-truck-traditional-maker-takes-on-tesla
T'aint in the nature of electrics or batteries to go coast to coast 10 hrs. at
a time hauling 30,000 -40,000 lbs.
Period.
All you've got is a big fat yap.
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" Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by that
time; the company promises 100 miles of range.
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."
That is NOT long haul trucking, PERIOD!
A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
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A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
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2017-10-06 03:08:31 UTC
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A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
When pigs grow wings they will fly, too. ratboy doesn't have any actual
facts, so we get his usual uninformed blabbering.

Truckers rarely drive 600 miles in one stretch, so a 350 mile range
assuming a meal break or two with recharging would be fine.

The diesel motor, transmission, and the fuel on a conventional semi
weigh at least 6,000lbs. Batteries that will take a big rig 350 miles
using existing tech would probably weigh about 12,000lbs. Total loaded
weight is 80,000lbs max in many places.

A long-haul diesel semi tractor costs upwards of $150,000. A battery
that would take a loaded rig 350 miles would probably cost about $60,000 at
$100/kwh, but the combustion engine power train probably costs at least
half that. If the big electric motors replacing it total $10,000, subtract
at least $20k from the battery price resulting in $40k.

But, those diesel trucks have a lifetime of a million miles. Fuel and
oil changes alone would be around $400k. The electricity for the EV would
cost ~$60k. Probably would have to place the batteries at least once, would
get a reconditioned battery pack for less than half the new price.

Lifetime cost of the diesel tractor plus the fuel is ~$550,000? Assuming
the EV costs $200k to buy, its equivalent lifetime cost would be;

EV rig + electricity + a battery replacement;
200 + 60 + 25 = $285k

My numbers are all ballpark but not very far off I suspect, and that is
present-day costs. As time passes the EV price will drop, but the dirty
energy truck gets no less expensive.
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A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
Ratman DOES have the actual data, so we get his usual informed facts.

Everything said here is FACT. YOU look it up. YOU prove me, or should I
say, those who I got the information from, wrong.
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Truckers rarely drive 600 miles in one stretch, so a 350 mile range
assuming a meal break or two with recharging would be fine.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Charging a 14 ton battery will take HOW long?
Post by Unum
The diesel motor, transmission, and the fuel on a conventional semi
weigh at least 6,000lbs. Batteries that will take a big rig 350 miles
using existing tech would probably weigh about 12,000lbs. Total loaded
weight is 80,000lbs max in many places.
Buuuuuuuuuuuullshit.

The Tesla truck will run a lithium-ion battery system that generates 243
watt-hours per kilogram at the cell-level-a good bet based on the tech in
Tesla's current cars. To cover 600 miles without stopping to charge, the
truck would need a 14 ton battery.

Viswanathan estimates a next-generation "beyond lithium-ion battery pack"
could provide a 600-mile range and cost about $180,000.

"A 900-mile battery would weigh about 22 tons. Based on CURRENT pricing,
those packs would cost between $290,000 and $450,000. A comparable diesel
rig costs about $120,000, all-in."

Over TWICE the cost of a fully functioning DIESEL-BURNING big-rig truck.

Pigs and electric LONNNNNG-Haul trucks will never fly.
Post by Unum
A long-haul diesel semi tractor costs upwards of $150,000.
"Upwards"? Do all truckers or the companies they drive for, if not
independent, buy the most expensive rigs? Nope. I speak with experience,
moron. Yes, I have a Class "A" license and actually went to school so I
could truck my own equipment.
Post by Unum
A battery
that would take a loaded rig 350 miles would probably cost about $60,000
Aaaaaaahng... wrong. (see above)

at
Post by Unum
$100/kwh, but the combustion engine power train probably costs at least
half that. If the big electric motors replacing it total $10,000, subtract
at least $20k from the battery price resulting in $40k.
But, those diesel trucks have a lifetime of a million miles. Fuel and
oil changes alone would be around $400k. The electricity for the EV would
cost ~$60k. Probably would have to place the batteries at least once, would
get a reconditioned battery pack for less than half the new price.
Lifetime cost of the diesel tractor plus the fuel is ~$550,000? Assuming
the EV costs $200k to buy, its equivalent lifetime cost would be;
EV rig + electricity + a battery replacement;
200 + 60 + 25 = $285k
My numbers are all ballpark
And you accuse ME of not knowing the facts? What a fucking hypocrite, but
then again, you ARE a left winger liberal pansy-ass basement dwelling
mommy's boy.

but not very far off I suspect, and that is
Post by Unum
present-day costs. As time passes the EV price will drop, but the dirty
energy truck gets no less expensive.
Price isn't the only question: Federal rules limit trucks' gross weight to
40 tons. Considering the heft of the battery pack, plus things like the
cab, trailer, and wheels, the researchers figure a 600-mile-ready Tesla
truck could carry just nine tons of cargo.

The time it would take to top off massive batteries would slow things down
considerably, although charge time could correspond with the mandatory
breaks long-haul truckers must take, but NOT lunch breaks.

Ain't no trucker or company's gonna go there, Sparky... not for a
LONNNNNNG time.

We'll NEVER see it.
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A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
Ratman DOES have the actual data, so we get his usual informed facts.
Everything said here is FACT. YOU look it up. YOU prove me, or should I
say, those who I got the information from, wrong.
Already did look it up, dimwit. "those who I got the information from", lol!
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Post by Unum
Truckers rarely drive 600 miles in one stretch, so a 350 mile range
assuming a meal break or two with recharging would be fine.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Charging a 14 ton battery will take HOW long?
Post by Unum
The diesel motor, transmission, and the fuel on a conventional semi
weigh at least 6,000lbs. Batteries that will take a big rig 350 miles
using existing tech would probably weigh about 12,000lbs. Total loaded
weight is 80,000lbs max in many places.
Buuuuuuuuuuuullshit.
The Tesla truck will run a lithium-ion battery system that generates 243
watt-hours per kilogram at the cell-level-a good bet based on the tech in
Tesla's current cars. To cover 600 miles without stopping to charge, the
truck would need a 14 ton battery.
No need to drive 600 miles all in one stretch, so your premise is bogus
which makes all the rest of your crap meaningless.
Post by Hillbilly Davis
Viswanathan estimates a next-generation "beyond lithium-ion battery pack"
could provide a 600-mile range and cost about $180,000.
Great. So a 350 mile battery is $105k according to those numbers.
Post by Hillbilly Davis
"A 900-mile battery would weigh about 22 tons. Based on CURRENT pricing,
those packs would cost between $290,000 and $450,000. A comparable diesel
rig costs about $120,000, all-in."
Now the required range suddenly jumped to 900 miles without refueling?
Post by Hillbilly Davis
Over TWICE the cost of a fully functioning DIESEL-BURNING big-rig truck.
Well, cut all that crap down to 1/3 and figure in the savings in fuel cost,
the ROI works out just fine.
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cut all that crap down to 1/3 and figure in the savings in fuel cost,
the ROI works out just fine.
Bullshit LIE!
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Viswanathan estimates a next-generation "beyond lithium-ion battery pack"
could provide a 600-mile range and cost about $180,000.
Great. So a 350 mile battery is $105k according to those numbers.
Gawd, you're a fucking idiot.

Smaller batteries will cost MORE per whatever you want to rate them by.

Gawd, you're a fucking idiot.

Basement boy thinks a ONE 350 mile battery will cost the same, per watt-
hours per kilogram, as a 600 mile battery.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Everything said here is FACT. YOU look it up. YOU prove me, or should I
say, those who I got the information from, wrong.
Already did look it up, dimwit. "those who I got the information from", lol!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So where YOU looked up the information, is always "better" than where I
get mine?

You know what THAT'S called?

Dumbass liberal logic 101.
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"A 900-mile battery would weigh about 22 tons. Based on CURRENT pricing,
those packs would cost between $290,000 and $450,000. A comparable diesel
rig costs about $120,000, all-in."
Now the required range suddenly jumped to 900 miles without refueling?
Typical liberal leftist basement dwelling nerdo... always has to act like
someone said what YOU said to deflect away from the topic, which is you're
so fucking stupid, are getting OWNED on the topic, so you make some
typical liberal bullshit up.

NO ONE said that anyone drives 900 miles. NO ONE.

NINE HUNDRED MILE BATTERY.

God, you're such a wormy fucking geek. I bet your father left your mother
because of YOU.
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"A 900-mile battery would weigh about 22 tons. Based on CURRENT pricing,
those packs would cost between $290,000 and $450,000. A comparable diesel
rig costs about $120,000, all-in."
Now the required range suddenly jumped to 900 miles without refueling?
Typical liberal leftist basement dwelling nerdo... always has to act like
someone said what YOU said to deflect away from the topic, which is you're
so fucking stupid, are getting OWNED on the topic, so you make some
typical liberal bullshit up.
NO ONE said that anyone drives 900 miles. NO ONE.
NINE HUNDRED MILE BATTERY.
God, you're such a wormy fucking geek. I bet your father left your mother
because of YOU.
With a box of long dead Eveready carbon cell batteries and a rusted out
vibrator.
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The Tesla truck will run a lithium-ion battery system that generates 243
watt-hours per kilogram at the cell-level-a good bet based on the tech in
Tesla's current cars. To cover 600 miles without stopping to charge, the
truck would need a 14 ton battery.
No need to drive 600 miles all in one stretch, so your premise is bogus
which makes all the rest of your crap meaningless.
Why not? Ask ANY trucker, nerd... they will tell you how fucking tired
they are of being on the road, and they WILL drive for 10 hours or
as far as their fuel will take them, refuel, get a snack and hit the road,
and drive until their 10 hours is up.

No battery on EARTH, that weighs 14 tons, will charge at ALL in those few
short few minutes it takes to fuel up, shit, and grab a snack. Not
even in an hour.

You don't know shit about it, nerdo... I do.
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The Tesla truck will run a lithium-ion battery system that generates 243
watt-hours per kilogram at the cell-level-a good bet based on the tech in
Tesla's current cars. To cover 600 miles without stopping to charge, the
truck would need a 14 ton battery.
No need to drive 600 miles all in one stretch, so your premise is bogus
which makes all the rest of your crap meaningless.
Why not? Ask ANY trucker, nerd... they will tell you how fucking tired
they are of being on the road, and they WILL drive for 10 hours or
as far as their fuel will take them, refuel, get a snack and hit the road,
and drive until their 10 hours is up.
No battery on EARTH, that weighs 14 tons, will charge at ALL in those few
short few minutes it takes to fuel up, shit, and grab a snack. Not
even in an hour.
You don't know shit about it, nerdo... I do.
Yes you do.

I used to drive medium haul, so I do too.
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A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
When pigs grow wings they will fly, too. ratboy doesn't have any actual
facts, so we get his usual uninformed blabbering.
Truckers rarely drive 600 miles in one stretch,
Liar.

They are licensed to do 10 hour shifts.

That is up to 750 miles.
Post by Unum
so a 350 mile range
assuming a meal break or two with recharging would be fine.
No, it would NOT be!

An no semi-sized battery is ever going to recharge in 1/2 an hour, ya
MORON!'
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The diesel motor, transmission, and the fuel on a conventional semi
weigh at least 6,000lbs. Batteries that will take a big rig 350 miles
using existing tech would probably weigh about 12,000lbs.
"probably"???

Citation?
Post by Unum
Total loaded
weight is 80,000lbs max in many places.
No it is NOT!

That is a unique 5 axle rating, ya lying shitbag!

https://mdotcf.state.mi.us/public/webforms/public/T-1.pdf

5-axle truck tractor, semitrailer combinations having 2 consecutive sets
of tandem axles, vehicles having a gross
weight in excess of 80,000 lbs. or in excess of the vehicle gross
weight, determined by application of the formula
in this subsection, shall be subject to the maximum axle loads specified
in column 2 (Normal Loadings When
Seasonal Load Limitations Are Not In Force).

http://www.whp.dot.state.wy.us/home/size_and_weight/size_limits.html

Legal Weight Limits


All Highway:
Single Axle: 20,000 lbs.
Tandem Axle: 36,000 lbs.
Triple Axle: 42,000 lbs.
Each Wheel: 10,000 lbs.
Each Tire:
Steering: 750 lbs./inch of tire width
Other Tires: 600 lbs./inch of tire width

http://www.cargoagents.net/resources/stateroadweightsizelimitations.htm

40' reefer cargo weight should be between 39,000-40,000 cargo weight to
stay under 80,000 lbs gross weight (tractor/tare weight/cargo weight)

In WA / OR / MT / ID - allow for use of super chassis/triaxle on 40'
equipment at additional cost of $130+ per load. Weights = 12,000;
34,000; 42,000; 88,000 Use of superchassis/triaxle will allow cargo
weight in 40' reefers to go up to 47,000-48,000 lbs and still keep gross
weight at 88,000 lbs. Special arrangements can be made for use of 4 axle
chassis which would allow total gross weight to reach 96,000 (12,000;
42,000; 42,000) but equipment rental expense is considerably more than
standard or tri axle. 20' laws in all states are governed by new bridge
law weight which took effect in 1998. Distance between wheel base
determines actual weight per axle and gross weight. As a general rule,
cargo weight should not surpass 39,000 lbs with a total gross weight
(tractor/tare weight/cargo weight) of 68,000 lbs. MAXIMUM BRIDGE LAWS
(supercede all suggested weight laws!): It is possible to be considered
overweight in one or all of the following ways: 1.Gross weight 2.Axle
weight 3.Bridge formula

1. Gross Weight: Maximum allowable total gross weight for trucks on U.S.
Interstates is 80,000 lbs, including tractor weight, chassis and
container weight, cargo weight, etc. Off-interstate limits are typically
lower. Please refer to to the American Trucking Association's "Summary
of Size and Weight Limits". 2. Axle Weight: Allowable gross weight on a
single or set of axles is regulated by individual states. States
typically allow 34,000 lbs per tandem axle and 20,000 lbs per single
axle. Please refer to the American Trucking Association's "Summary of
Size and Weight Limits". Note : Over 50% of all U.S. citations issued
are for axle weight violations, usually the result of uneven
distribution of the load inside the container.

2. Bridge formula: This law sets maximum weights according to the
distance between sets of axles. "Inner Bridge" measurement = distance
between axle 2 and axle 5 "Outer Bridge" measurement = distance between
axle 1 and axle 5(steering axle is axle 1, tractor drive axle is axle 2,
etc.)

To determine Inner Bridge compliance, measure distance from center of
wheel of axle 2 to center of wheel of axle 5. Refer to "Summary of Size
and Weight Limits" appropriate bridge chart (table A or B). Find
appropriate distance, follow row to 4 axles column to find maximum gross
weight for 4 axles.

To determine Outer Bridge compliance, measure distance from center of
wheel of axle 1 to center of wheel of axle 5. Refer to "Summary of Size
and Weight Limits" appropriate bridge chart (table A or B) Find
appropriate distance, follow row to 5 axles column to find maximum gross
weight for 5 axles. example: a) Outer bridge = 37 ft. b) Inner bridge =
22 ft. a) axle 1 weight = 10,900 lbs axles 2 & 3 weight = 27,620 lbs
axles 4 & 5 weight = 27,500 lbs Max. weight, according to chart for
66,020 lbs 37 ft. on 5 axles = 66,500 lbs, load is OK b) axles 2 & 3
weight = 27,620 lbs axles 4 & 5 weight = 27,500 lbs Max. weight,
according to chart for 55,120 lbs 22 ft. on 4 axles = 56,500 lbs, load is OK
Post by Unum
My numbers are all ballpark but not very far off I suspect,
YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT!
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A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
When pigs grow wings they will fly, too. ratboy doesn't have any actual
facts, so we get his usual uninformed blabbering.
Truckers rarely drive 600 miles in one stretch,
Liar.
They are licensed to do 10 hour shifts.
That is up to 750 miles.
"licensed" doesn't mean people do 10 hours of straight driving, dumbass.
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Post by Unum
so a 350 mile range
assuming a meal break or two with recharging would be fine.
No, it would NOT be!
An no semi-sized battery is ever going to recharge in 1/2 an hour, ya MORON!'
An hour of fast charging gives 80% range.
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Post by Unum
The diesel motor, transmission, and the fuel on a conventional semi
weigh at least 6,000lbs. Batteries that will take a big rig 350 miles
using existing tech would probably weigh about 12,000lbs.
"probably"???
Citation?
It is simple arithmetic. EV hauler trucks require about 2.4 kWh/mile, so 350
miles requires 840 kWh. 2016 Tesla battery packs were 11.5 lbs/kWh which
is under 10,000lbs,
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Post by Unum
Total loaded
weight is 80,000lbs max in many places.
No it is NOT!
That is a unique 5 axle rating, ya lying shitbag!
https://mdotcf.state.mi.us/public/webforms/public/T-1.pdf
5-axle truck tractor, semitrailer combinations having 2 consecutive sets of
tandem axles, vehicles having a gross
weight in excess of 80,000 lbs. or in excess of the vehicle gross weight,
determined by application of the formula
in this subsection, shall be subject to the maximum axle loads specified in
column 2 (Normal Loadings When
Seasonal Load Limitations Are Not In Force).
http://www.whp.dot.state.wy.us/home/size_and_weight/size_limits.html
Legal Weight Limits
Single Axle: 20,000 lbs.
Tandem Axle: 36,000 lbs.
Triple Axle: 42,000 lbs.
Each Wheel: 10,000 lbs.
Steering: 750 lbs./inch of tire width
Other Tires: 600 lbs./inch of tire width
http://www.cargoagents.net/resources/stateroadweightsizelimitations.htm
40' reefer cargo weight should be between 39,000-40,000 cargo weight to stay
under 80,000 lbs gross weight (tractor/tare weight/cargo weight)
What part of "80,000 lbs gross weight" did you not understand, dumbass? And
the batteries only add about 6,000lbs. Look a few lines up, moron. When the
battery packs weigh and cost more more than the rig itself, lol!
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A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
When pigs grow wings they will fly, too. ratboy doesn't have any actual
facts, so we get his usual uninformed blabbering.
Truckers rarely drive 600 miles in one stretch,
Liar.
They are licensed to do 10 hour shifts.
That is up to 750 miles.
"licensed" doesn't mean people do 10 hours of straight driving, dumbass.
You know NOTHING about trucking - I mean NOTHING!!!

There's a reason they sit in the chicken coop pouring over log books,
shit for brains!
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Post by Unum
so a 350 mile range
assuming a meal break or two with recharging would be fine.
No, it would NOT be!
An no semi-sized battery is ever going to recharge in 1/2 an hour, ya MORON!'
An hour of fast charging gives 80% range.
Nope.

Not anything that size.
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Post by Unum
The diesel motor, transmission, and the fuel on a conventional semi
weigh at least 6,000lbs. Batteries that will take a big rig 350 miles
using existing tech would probably weigh about 12,000lbs.
"probably"???
Citation?
It is simple arithmetic.
Nope.

I want an AUTHORITATIVE citation, not your napkin math.

Ya MORON.
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Post by Unum
Total loaded
weight is 80,000lbs max in many places.
No it is NOT!
That is a unique 5 axle rating, ya lying shitbag!
https://mdotcf.state.mi.us/public/webforms/public/T-1.pdf
5-axle truck tractor, semitrailer combinations having 2 consecutive
sets of tandem axles, vehicles having a gross
weight in excess of 80,000 lbs. or in excess of the vehicle gross
weight, determined by application of the formula
in this subsection, shall be subject to the maximum axle loads
specified in column 2 (Normal Loadings When
Seasonal Load Limitations Are Not In Force).
http://www.whp.dot.state.wy.us/home/size_and_weight/size_limits.html
Legal Weight Limits
Single Axle: 20,000 lbs.
Tandem Axle: 36,000 lbs.
Triple Axle: 42,000 lbs.
Each Wheel: 10,000 lbs.
Steering: 750 lbs./inch of tire width
Other Tires: 600 lbs./inch of tire width
http://www.cargoagents.net/resources/stateroadweightsizelimitations.htm
40' reefer cargo weight should be between 39,000-40,000 cargo weight
to stay under 80,000 lbs gross weight (tractor/tare weight/cargo weight)
What part of "80,000 lbs gross weight" did you not understand, dumbass?
What part of special exemption did you miss, shit for brains?

Most semis operate in the 30-50K weight range.
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And the batteries only add about 6,000lbs.
CITATION!
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A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
When pigs grow wings they will fly, too. ratboy doesn't have any actual
facts, so we get his usual uninformed blabbering.
Truckers rarely drive 600 miles in one stretch,
Liar.
They are licensed to do 10 hour shifts.
That is up to 750 miles.
"licensed" doesn't mean people do 10 hours of straight driving, dumbass.
You know NOTHING about trucking - I mean NOTHING!!!
There's a reason they sit in the chicken coop pouring over log books, shit for
brains!
We'll just assume most drivers take at least a lunch break.
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so a 350 mile range
assuming a meal break or two with recharging would be fine.
No, it would NOT be!
An no semi-sized battery is ever going to recharge in 1/2 an hour, ya MORON!'
An hour of fast charging gives 80% range.
Nope.
Not anything that size.
And you know this how?
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The diesel motor, transmission, and the fuel on a conventional semi
weigh at least 6,000lbs. Batteries that will take a big rig 350 miles
using existing tech would probably weigh about 12,000lbs.
"probably"???
Citation?
It is simple arithmetic.
Nope.
I want an AUTHORITATIVE citation, not your napkin math.
Ya MORON.
I'm looking at a cite, but since all you've done is run your fat yap
I don't care what you want.
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Total loaded
weight is 80,000lbs max in many places.
No it is NOT!
That is a unique 5 axle rating, ya lying shitbag!
https://mdotcf.state.mi.us/public/webforms/public/T-1.pdf
5-axle truck tractor, semitrailer combinations having 2 consecutive sets of
tandem axles, vehicles having a gross
weight in excess of 80,000 lbs. or in excess of the vehicle gross weight,
determined by application of the formula
in this subsection, shall be subject to the maximum axle loads specified in
column 2 (Normal Loadings When
Seasonal Load Limitations Are Not In Force).
http://www.whp.dot.state.wy.us/home/size_and_weight/size_limits.html
Legal Weight Limits
Single Axle: 20,000 lbs.
Tandem Axle: 36,000 lbs.
Triple Axle: 42,000 lbs.
Each Wheel: 10,000 lbs.
Steering: 750 lbs./inch of tire width
Other Tires: 600 lbs./inch of tire width
http://www.cargoagents.net/resources/stateroadweightsizelimitations.htm
40' reefer cargo weight should be between 39,000-40,000 cargo weight to
stay under 80,000 lbs gross weight (tractor/tare weight/cargo weight)
What part of "80,000 lbs gross weight" did you not understand, dumbass?
What part of special exemption did you miss, shit for brains?
Most semis operate in the 30-50K weight range.
In that case there is plenty of extra weight capacity available for batteries.
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Post by Unum
And the batteries only add about 6,000lbs.
CITATION!
The arithmetic is a few lines up. Obviously you can't disprove it.
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A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
When pigs grow wings they will fly, too. ratboy doesn't have any actual
facts, so we get his usual uninformed blabbering.
Truckers rarely drive 600 miles in one stretch,
Liar.
They are licensed to do 10 hour shifts.
That is up to 750 miles.
"licensed" doesn't mean people do 10 hours of straight driving, dumbass.
You know NOTHING about trucking - I mean NOTHING!!!
There's a reason they sit in the chicken coop pouring over log books,
shit for brains!
We'll just assume most drivers take at least a lunch break.
A "lunch break" can be coffee and a pack of jerky, moron.
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so a 350 mile range
assuming a meal break or two with recharging would be fine.
No, it would NOT be!
An no semi-sized battery is ever going to recharge in 1/2 an hour, ya MORON!'
An hour of fast charging gives 80% range.
Nope.
Not anything that size.
And you know this how?
I study the state of the art.

I also know electrical and 240 volts is the bare minimum pipe for cars!
Post by Unum
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Post by Unum
The diesel motor, transmission, and the fuel on a conventional semi
weigh at least 6,000lbs. Batteries that will take a big rig 350 miles
using existing tech would probably weigh about 12,000lbs.
"probably"???
Citation?
It is simple arithmetic.
Nope.
I want an AUTHORITATIVE citation, not your napkin math.
Ya MORON.
I'm looking at a cite, but
Nope - a lie.
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Total loaded
weight is 80,000lbs max in many places.
No it is NOT!
That is a unique 5 axle rating, ya lying shitbag!
https://mdotcf.state.mi.us/public/webforms/public/T-1.pdf
5-axle truck tractor, semitrailer combinations having 2 consecutive
sets of tandem axles, vehicles having a gross
weight in excess of 80,000 lbs. or in excess of the vehicle gross
weight, determined by application of the formula
in this subsection, shall be subject to the maximum axle loads
specified in column 2 (Normal Loadings When
Seasonal Load Limitations Are Not In Force).
http://www.whp.dot.state.wy.us/home/size_and_weight/size_limits.html
Legal Weight Limits
Single Axle: 20,000 lbs.
Tandem Axle: 36,000 lbs.
Triple Axle: 42,000 lbs.
Each Wheel: 10,000 lbs.
Steering: 750 lbs./inch of tire width
Other Tires: 600 lbs./inch of tire width
http://www.cargoagents.net/resources/stateroadweightsizelimitations.htm
40' reefer cargo weight should be between 39,000-40,000 cargo weight
to stay under 80,000 lbs gross weight (tractor/tare weight/cargo weight)
What part of "80,000 lbs gross weight" did you not understand, dumbass?
What part of special exemption did you miss, shit for brains?
Most semis operate in the 30-50K weight range.
In that case there is plenty of extra weight capacity available for batteries.
Nope.

Weight and space are all precious commodities.
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Post by Unum
And the batteries only add about 6,000lbs.
CITATION!
The arithmetic is a few lines up. Obviously
Nope, you will either provide an authoritative professional citation or
be RIDICULED!
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We'll just assume most drivers take at least a lunch break.
A "lunch break" can be coffee and a pack of jerky, moron.
And no need to sit down for THAT!

Dipshit eUnuch, doesn't know dick (well, I'm sure he knows dicks), about
the trucking industry, but like all pansy-ass liberal types, they pretend
to, JUST so they can get in the last word.

I HAVE been a trucker, driving for at least 2 different companies (Coca-
Cola back in the 80's). I never went "over-the-road", but I've been around
it and have friends that are, or have been, long haul truckers. I met many
of them in school.

These moronic little nerds that frequent AGW and other groups, haven't
done a fucking thing in their lives, that even REMOTELY resembles a REAL
manly type of job.

THAT'S why they're in here and not "out there". They're pussies... mommy's
boys, who have ZERO social skills, mainly because they think they're
smarter than everyone else and anything that requires actual work, is
beneath them. Not really... they're just too dorky to even hold hammer.

I'll take hard work over being in mommy's house and having NO money...
huh, Kymberly, Brettainey and columbineshootinginvestigation?
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On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:46:15 -0600, BumbleBee says...
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We'll just assume most drivers take at least a lunch break.
A "lunch break" can be coffee and a pack of jerky, moron.
And no need to sit down for THAT!
Hell no!
Post by Hillbilly Davis
Dipshit eUnuch, doesn't know dick (well, I'm sure he knows dicks), about
the trucking industry, but like all pansy-ass liberal types, they pretend
to, JUST so they can get in the last word.
Always.
Post by Hillbilly Davis
I HAVE been a trucker, driving for at least 2 different companies (Coca-
Cola back in the 80's). I never went "over-the-road", but I've been around
it and have friends that are, or have been, long haul truckers. I met many
of them in school.
I drove in-state for a commercial food distributor, reefer, 10 wheel, etc.
Post by Hillbilly Davis
These moronic little nerds that frequent AGW and other groups, haven't
done a fucking thing in their lives, that even REMOTELY resembles a REAL
manly type of job.
Hacky Sack doesn't count?
Post by Hillbilly Davis
THAT'S why they're in here and not "out there". They're pussies... mommy's
boys, who have ZERO social skills, mainly because they think they're
smarter than everyone else and anything that requires actual work, is
beneath them. Not really... they're just too dorky to even hold hammer.
Any one of the cunts is tire iron thump check material.
Post by Hillbilly Davis
I'll take hard work over being in mommy's house and having NO money...
huh, Kymberly, Brettainey and columbineshootinginvestigation?
Right on.
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On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:42:04 -0500,  Unum says...
Post by Unum
A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
When pigs grow wings they will fly, too. ratboy doesn't have any actual
facts, so we get his usual uninformed blabbering.
Truckers rarely drive 600 miles in one stretch,
Liar.
They are licensed to do 10 hour shifts.
That is up to 750 miles.
"licensed" doesn't mean people do 10 hours of straight driving, dumbass.
You know NOTHING about trucking - I mean NOTHING!!!
There's a reason they sit in the chicken coop pouring over log books, shit
for brains!
We'll just assume most drivers take at least a lunch break.
A "lunch break" can be coffee and a pack of jerky, moron.
It can also be an actual "lunch". Especially if you are saving $180
in fuel costs on your 600 mile trip.
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so a 350 mile range
assuming a meal break or two with recharging would be fine.
No, it would NOT be!
An no semi-sized battery is ever going to recharge in 1/2 an hour, ya MORON!'
An hour of fast charging gives 80% range.
Nope.
Not anything that size.
And you know this how?
I study the state of the art.
I also know electrical and 240 volts is the bare minimum pipe for cars!
So you don't know a damn thing about any of this. DC Fast Charger tech can
deliver up to 350 kW using 480-volt transformers. Look it up.
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The diesel motor, transmission, and the fuel on a conventional semi
weigh at least 6,000lbs. Batteries that will take a big rig 350 miles
using existing tech would probably weigh about 12,000lbs.
"probably"???
Citation?
It is simple arithmetic.
Nope.
I want an AUTHORITATIVE citation, not your napkin math.
Ya MORON.
I'm looking at a cite, but
Nope - a lie.
You seem awfully sure about that for someone who is completely
ignorant about everything EV. Incidentally, how much does average
residential electricity cost in the USA, boy?
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http://www.cargoagents.net/resources/stateroadweightsizelimitations.htm
40' reefer cargo weight should be between 39,000-40,000 cargo weight to
stay under 80,000 lbs gross weight (tractor/tare weight/cargo weight)
What part of "80,000 lbs gross weight" did you not understand, dumbass?
What part of special exemption did you miss, shit for brains?
Most semis operate in the 30-50K weight range.
In that case there is plenty of extra weight capacity available for batteries.
Nope.
Weight and space are all precious commodities.
So is fuel, lol. The claim was that the truck couldn't even carry the
batteries, obviously it can and do so profitably due to massively
reduced energy costs.
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Post by BumbleBee
Post by Unum
And the batteries only add about 6,000lbs.
CITATION!
The arithmetic is a few lines up. Obviously
Nope, you will either provide an authoritative professional citation or be
RIDICULED!
Looks to me like no what cites I provide, I'll be threatened with
personal violence from some little jackass on the internet. If you
actually do long haul trucking, dimwit, your ass is grass. That job
will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
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On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:42:04 -0500,  Unum says...
Post by Unum
A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
When pigs grow wings they will fly, too. ratboy doesn't have any actual
facts, so we get his usual uninformed blabbering.
Truckers rarely drive 600 miles in one stretch,
Liar.
They are licensed to do 10 hour shifts.
That is up to 750 miles.
"licensed" doesn't mean people do 10 hours of straight driving, dumbass.
You know NOTHING about trucking - I mean NOTHING!!!
There's a reason they sit in the chicken coop pouring over log
books, shit for brains!
We'll just assume most drivers take at least a lunch break.
A "lunch break" can be coffee and a pack of jerky, moron.
It can also be an actual "lunch".
Nope.

Long haul truckers will snack as they drive then eat when they layover.

You know NOTHING about the industry, turdbrain!
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Especially if you are saving
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so a 350 mile range
assuming a meal break or two with recharging would be fine.
No, it would NOT be!
An no semi-sized battery is ever going to recharge in 1/2 an hour, ya MORON!'
An hour of fast charging gives 80% range.
Nope.
Not anything that size.
And you know this how?
I study the state of the art.
I also know electrical and 240 volts is the bare minimum pipe for cars!
So you don't know a damn thing about any of this.
Oh?

Prove me wrong - list the plethora of home charging stations that go
over 240.
Post by Unum
DC Fast Charger tech can
deliver up to 350 kW using 480-volt transformers. Look it up.
I did, you raving DIPSHIT!

Those are only going to be found in special commercial locales, not your
average home or even municipal EV charging station.
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The diesel motor, transmission, and the fuel on a conventional semi
weigh at least 6,000lbs. Batteries that will take a big rig 350 miles
using existing tech would probably weigh about 12,000lbs.
"probably"???
Citation?
It is simple arithmetic.
Nope.
I want an AUTHORITATIVE citation, not your napkin math.
Ya MORON.
I'm looking at a cite, but
Nope - a lie.
You seem awfully sure about that
I am.

Where is your authoritative citation?
Post by Unum
crickets<
for someone who is completely
ignorant about everything EV.
You seem Hell bent on proving you are, yes.

Odd.
Post by Unum
Incidentally, how much does average
residential electricity cost in the USA, boy?
Why would THAT matter when any heavy commercial truck recharge station
is NOT going to be on a residential rate, dipshit?

Obfuscate much?
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http://www.cargoagents.net/resources/stateroadweightsizelimitations.htm
40' reefer cargo weight should be between 39,000-40,000 cargo
weight to stay under 80,000 lbs gross weight (tractor/tare
weight/cargo weight)
What part of "80,000 lbs gross weight" did you not understand, dumbass?
What part of special exemption did you miss, shit for brains?
Most semis operate in the 30-50K weight range.
In that case there is plenty of extra weight capacity available for batteries.
Nope.
Weight and space are all precious commodities.
So is fuel, lol.
Rides neatly along the frame rails under the cab..
Post by Unum
The claim was that the truck couldn't even carry the
batteries,
Whose?
Post by Unum
obviously it can and do so profitably due to massively
reduced energy costs.
Nope - the overall cost of the batteries is prohibitive for true long
haul use.
Post by Unum
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Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
Post by Unum
And the batteries only add about 6,000lbs.
CITATION!
The arithmetic is a few lines up. Obviously
Nope, you will either provide an authoritative professional citation
or be RIDICULED!
Looks to me like no what cites I provide,
crickets<
I'll be threatened with
personal violence from some little jackass on the internet.
Not little, but yeah, sure, you will be.

Didja think serial lying came with no accountability?
Post by Unum
If you
actually do long haul trucking, dimwit, your ass is grass.
I only drove short to medium haul, many moons ago, dimmy.
Post by Unum
That job will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
I do not think so, but anything is theoretically possible.

I'd bet on rail and truck containerization growth first though.

https://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch3en/conc3en/containerizationgrowth.html

http://www.iicl.org/aboutIndustry/containerization.cfm

https://www.nationaljournal.com/sponsor-content/aar/5-milestones-growth-intermodal

In many ways, it seems that demand for rail intermodal has skyrocketed
overnight,
but in reality its success has been more than a century in the making.
Below are five unique milestones that have contributed to the
development of the safe, reliable and cost-effective intermodal rail
network we have today.

Albeit more trackage would help.

Now then, you want to learn about long haul, here:

http://www.truckertompodcast.com/

Mr. Wiles can learn ya some gear jammin', ya mouthy green pissant!
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Post by Unum
A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
When pigs grow wings they will fly, too. ratboy doesn't have any actual
facts, so we get his usual uninformed blabbering.
Truckers rarely drive 600 miles in one stretch,
Liar.
They are licensed to do 10 hour shifts.
That is up to 750 miles.
"licensed" doesn't mean people do 10 hours of straight driving, dumbass.
You know NOTHING about trucking - I mean NOTHING!!!
There's a reason they sit in the chicken coop pouring over log books,
shit for brains!
We'll just assume most drivers take at least a lunch break.
A "lunch break" can be coffee and a pack of jerky, moron.
It can also be an actual "lunch".
Nope.
Long haul truckers will snack as they drive then eat when they layover.
You know NOTHING about the industry, turdbrain!
I know people like an extra $180 for a day's work, lol.
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Especially if you are saving
-specious speculation deleted-
No damn wonder you deleted it, you sniveling coward.
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so a 350 mile range
assuming a meal break or two with recharging would be fine.
No, it would NOT be!
An no semi-sized battery is ever going to recharge in 1/2 an hour, ya MORON!'
An hour of fast charging gives 80% range.
Nope.
Not anything that size.
And you know this how?
I study the state of the art.
I also know electrical and 240 volts is the bare minimum pipe for cars!
So you don't know a damn thing about any of this.
Oh?
Prove me wrong - list the plethora of home charging stations that go over 240.
Post by Unum
DC Fast Charger tech can
deliver up to 350 kW using 480-volt transformers. Look it up.
I did, you raving DIPSHIT!
Got all excited, didn't you.
Post by BumbleBee
Those are only going to be found in special commercial locales, not your
average home or even municipal EV charging station.
Oh wow! Commercial locales like a truck stop alongside the
interstate? Or one of the distribution hubs you might pass
through on your 600 mile trip?
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The diesel motor, transmission, and the fuel on a conventional semi
weigh at least 6,000lbs. Batteries that will take a big rig 350 miles
using existing tech would probably weigh about 12,000lbs.
"probably"???
Citation?
It is simple arithmetic.
Nope.
I want an AUTHORITATIVE citation, not your napkin math.
Ya MORON.
I'm looking at a cite, but
Nope - a lie.
You seem awfully sure about that
I am.
Where is your authoritative citation?
Post by Unum
crickets<
for someone who is completely
ignorant about everything EV.
You seem Hell bent on proving you are, yes.
Odd.
Post by Unum
Incidentally, how much does average
residential electricity cost in the USA, boy?
Why would THAT matter when any heavy commercial truck recharge station is NOT
going to be on a residential rate, dipshit?
Obfuscate much?
You are so right. The "heavy commercial truck recharge station" you claim
can't exist will be buying electricity at a wholesale price well under
the $0.11 US residential average. But even at 11 cents the EV truck would
cost a fraction of a diesel to operate. Keep on running, boy!
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http://www.cargoagents.net/resources/stateroadweightsizelimitations.htm
40' reefer cargo weight should be between 39,000-40,000 cargo weight to
stay under 80,000 lbs gross weight (tractor/tare weight/cargo weight)
What part of "80,000 lbs gross weight" did you not understand, dumbass?
What part of special exemption did you miss, shit for brains?
Most semis operate in the 30-50K weight range.
In that case there is plenty of extra weight capacity available for batteries.
Nope.
Weight and space are all precious commodities.
So is fuel, lol.
Rides neatly along the frame rails under the cab..
So weight doesn't matter after all? Make up your mind, lol.
Post by BumbleBee
Post by Unum
The claim was that the truck couldn't even carry the
batteries,
Whose?
Its a few lines up, dimwit.

"When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be
as far as it goes"

Not only is that statement now shown to be utterly bogus, we also see
that EV trucks will eventually completely replace diesel because they
cost less to run.
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Post by Unum
obviously it can and do so profitably due to massively
reduced energy costs.
Nope - the overall cost of the batteries is prohibitive for true long haul use.
And you know this how?
Post by BumbleBee
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
Post by Unum
And the batteries only add about 6,000lbs.
CITATION!
The arithmetic is a few lines up. Obviously
Nope, you will either provide an authoritative professional citation or be
RIDICULED!
Looks to me like no what cites I provide,
crickets<
I'll be threatened with
personal violence from some little jackass on the internet.
Not little, but yeah, sure, you will be.
Ok, a big fat jackass on the internet.
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Didja think serial lying came with no accountability?
You are welcome to try to point out a lie.
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If you
actually do long haul trucking, dimwit, your ass is grass.
I only drove short to medium haul, many moons ago, dimmy.
So you don't know a damn thing about long haul trucking. Hilarious!
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That job will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
I do not think so, but anything is theoretically possible.
I don't care what you think. The companies that are developing the
EV trucks don't either.
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A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be
demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration
will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
When pigs grow wings they will fly, too. ratboy doesn't have any actual
facts, so we get his usual uninformed blabbering.
Truckers rarely drive 600 miles in one stretch,
Liar.
They are licensed to do 10 hour shifts.
That is up to 750 miles.
"licensed" doesn't mean people do 10 hours of straight driving, dumbass.
You know NOTHING about trucking - I mean NOTHING!!!
There's a reason they sit in the chicken coop pouring over log
books, shit for brains!
We'll just assume most drivers take at least a lunch break.
A "lunch break" can be coffee and a pack of jerky, moron.
It can also be an actual "lunch".
Nope.
Long haul truckers will snack as they drive then eat when they layover.
You know NOTHING about the industry, turdbrain!
I know people like an extra $180 for a day's work, lol.
An owner-op gets that by passing on lumpers.
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Especially if you are saving
-specious speculation deleted-
No damn wonder
Yep, no authoritative citation from you, period.
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so a 350 mile range
assuming a meal break or two with recharging would be fine.
No, it would NOT be!
An no semi-sized battery is ever going to recharge in 1/2 an hour, ya MORON!'
An hour of fast charging gives 80% range.
Nope.
Not anything that size.
And you know this how?
I study the state of the art.
I also know electrical and 240 volts is the bare minimum pipe for cars!
So you don't know a damn thing about any of this.
Oh?
Prove me wrong - list the plethora of home charging stations that go over 240.
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DC Fast Charger tech can
deliver up to 350 kW using 480-volt transformers. Look it up.
I did, you raving DIPSHIT!
Got all excited,
I enjoy spanking you, yes.
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Those are only going to be found in special commercial locales, not
your average home or even municipal EV charging station.
Oh wow! Commercial locales like a truck stop alongside the
interstate?
Or one of the distribution hubs you might pass
through on your 600 mile trip?
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The diesel motor, transmission, and the fuel on a conventional semi
weigh at least 6,000lbs. Batteries that will take a big rig 350 miles
using existing tech would probably weigh about 12,000lbs.
"probably"???
Citation?
It is simple arithmetic.
Nope.
I want an AUTHORITATIVE citation, not your napkin math.
Ya MORON.
I'm looking at a cite, but
Nope - a lie.
You seem awfully sure about that
I am.
Where is your authoritative citation?
 >crickets<
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for someone who is completely
ignorant about everything EV.
You seem Hell bent on proving you are, yes.
Odd.
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Incidentally, how much does average
residential electricity cost in the USA, boy?
Why would THAT matter when any heavy commercial truck recharge station
is NOT going to be on a residential rate, dipshit?
Obfuscate much?
You are so right.
As always, yes.
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The "heavy commercial truck recharge station" you claim
can't exist will be buying electricity at a wholesale price
Well no fucking shit Sherlock!

Man, you do like to play catch-up...
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http://www.cargoagents.net/resources/stateroadweightsizelimitations.htm
40' reefer cargo weight should be between 39,000-40,000 cargo
weight to stay under 80,000 lbs gross weight (tractor/tare
weight/cargo weight)
What part of "80,000 lbs gross weight" did you not understand, dumbass?
What part of special exemption did you miss, shit for brains?
Most semis operate in the 30-50K weight range.
In that case there is plenty of extra weight capacity available for batteries.
Nope.
Weight and space are all precious commodities.
So is fuel, lol.
Rides neatly along the frame rails under the cab..
So weight doesn't matter after all? Make up your mind, lol.
Semi cabs are designed for the fuel tanks they carry, deal.
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The claim was that the truck couldn't even carry the
batteries,
Whose?
Its a few lines up, dimwit.
Nope.
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"When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be
as far as it goes"
Not my claim.
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Not only is that statement now shown to be utterly bogus, we also see
that EV trucks will eventually completely replace diesel because they
cost less to run.
Nope, not for long haul.
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obviously it can and do so profitably due to massively
reduced energy costs.
Nope - the overall cost of the batteries is prohibitive for true long haul use.
And you know this how?
I stay "current", lol.
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And the batteries only add about 6,000lbs.
CITATION!
The arithmetic is a few lines up. Obviously
Nope, you will either provide an authoritative professional citation
or be RIDICULED!
Looks to me like no what cites I provide,
 >crickets<
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I'll be threatened with
personal violence from some little jackass on the internet.
Not little, but yeah, sure, you will be.
Ok, a big fat jackass on the internet.
Smacked is smacked - enjoy!
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Didja think serial lying came with no accountability?
You are welcome to try to point out a lie.
I already have.
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If you
actually do long haul trucking, dimwit, your ass is grass.
I only drove short to medium haul, many moons ago, dimmy.
So you don't know a damn thing about long haul trucking. Hilarious!
I know plenty about it, that's why I chose to stay closer to home.
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That job will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
I do not think so, but anything is theoretically possible.
I don't care what you think.
Oh but you DO, you really DO!

That's why you keep flailing away at my replies to no avail.
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The companies that are developing the
EV trucks don't either.
All smoke and mirrors.

Not for long haul by along shot.

Now stop snipping the citations you can learn from, coward.
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I don't care what you think.
Oh but you DO, you really DO!
That's why you keep flailing away at my replies to no avail.
See? Liberal nerdos ALWAYS have to have the last word, or they feel like
they've been wedgied on the playground... AGAIN!
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I don't care what you think.
Oh but you DO, you really DO!
That's why you keep flailing away at my replies to no avail.
See? Liberal nerdos ALWAYS have to have the last word, or they feel like
they've been wedgied on the playground... AGAIN!
Oh, er about that...uh...I mean...well...
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Nope - the overall cost of the batteries is prohibitive for true long haul use.
And you know this how?
I stay "current", lol.
So you don't actually know.
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You are welcome to try to point out a lie.
I already have.
Couldn't identify a lie.
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If you
actually do long haul trucking, dimwit, your ass is grass.
I only drove short to medium haul, many moons ago, dimmy.
So you don't know a damn thing about long haul trucking. Hilarious!
I know plenty about it, that's why I chose to stay closer to home.
"I only drove short to medium haul", hilarious! Hey I drove a truck
for a while too. It was a dump truck, a summer job. Short haul, lol!

And one thing I learned about trucking is that if you cut operating
costs by 70%, whoever owns the business makes a lot more money.
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That job will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
I do not think so, but anything is theoretically possible.
I don't care what you think.
Oh but you DO, you really DO!
That's why you keep flailing away at my replies to no avail.
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The companies that are developing the
EV trucks don't either.
All smoke and mirrors
https://electrek.co/2017/10/07/tesla-semi-electric-truck-prototype-elon-musk/

"Morgan Stanley recently called the unveiling of Tesla Semi ‘the biggest
catalyst in trucking in decades’ and they expect that the electric truck could
be 70% cheaper to operate than a diesel-powered truck."
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Not for long haul by along shot.
Now stop snipping the citations you can learn from, coward.
What's the average price of retail electricity in the USA?
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the electric truck could
be 70% cheaper to operate than a diesel-powered truck
"OPERATE", not buy. Difference, that won't be made up, maybe even EVER.

Does anything make you think that EV trucks won't be 3 times more
expensive, like cars?

=====

Gas car: 15,00 miles / 25mpg-avg x $2.50 per/gal = $1500/yr.

Tesla:
$100,000 + ($540.00 x 10yrs. which = $5400.00) = $154,000

Nissan:
$35,000 + ($1500 x 10yrs. which = $15,000) = $45,000

I'm buying the Nissan.

Even at $50 a week for gas, that's still only $61,000 vs. $154,000.

I'm buying the Kenworth.
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the electric truck could
be 70% cheaper to operate than a diesel-powered truck
"OPERATE", not buy. Difference, that won't be made up, maybe even EVER.
yap yap yap. The estimated difference is +$200k as I showed.
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"OPERATE", not buy. Difference, that won't be made up, maybe even EVER.
yap yap yap. The estimated difference is +$200k as I showed.
Liar.

No citations.

No proof.

Nothing.
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Nope - the overall cost of the batteries is prohibitive for true long haul use.
And you know this how?
I stay "current", lol.
I knew enough to make you look like shit again.
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So you don't actually know.
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You are welcome to try to point out a lie.
I already have.
Couldn't identify a lie.
No wonder, it's ALL you do here.

Picking just one out would be difficult.
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If you
actually do long haul trucking, dimwit, your ass is grass.
I only drove short to medium haul, many moons ago, dimmy.
So you don't know a damn thing about long haul trucking. Hilarious!
I know plenty about it, that's why I chose to stay closer to home.
"I only drove short to medium haul", hilarious! Hey I drove a truck
for a while too. It was a dump truck, a summer job. Short haul, lol!
And one thing I learned about trucking is that if you cut operating
costs by 70%, whoever owns the business makes a lot more money.
That's not exclusive to trucking.

The one thing you NEVER learned is pas through costs.

Batteries (many big ones) = a pass through cost.
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That job will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
I do not think so, but anything is theoretically possible.
I don't care what you think.
Oh but you DO, you really DO!
That's why you keep flailing away at my replies to no avail.
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The companies that are developing the
EV trucks don't either.
All smoke and mirrors
https://electrek.co/2017/10/07/tesla-semi-electric-truck-prototype-elon-musk/
"Morgan Stanley recently called the unveiling of Tesla Semi ‘the biggest
catalyst in trucking in decades’ and they expect that the electric truck could
be 70% cheaper to operate than a diesel-powered truck."
I wonder WHO they're bankrolling?

Eh?

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/institutional-holdings

MORGAN STANLEY 06/30/2017 1,420,182 (2,167,955) (60.42) 506,835
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Not for long haul by along shot.
Now stop snipping the citations you can learn from, coward.
What's the average price of retail electricity in the USA?
What does that have to do with COMMERCIAL rate electricity?

Dolt!
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Nope - the overall cost of the batteries is prohibitive for true long haul use.
And you know this how?
I stay "current", lol.
I knew enough to make you look like shit again.
So you don't actually know.
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So you don't actually know.
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You are welcome to try to point out a lie.
I already have.
Couldn't identify a lie.
No wonder, it's ALL you do here.
Picking just one out would be difficult.
Couldn't identify a single lie.
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If you
actually do long haul trucking, dimwit, your ass is grass.
I only drove short to medium haul, many moons ago, dimmy.
So you don't know a damn thing about long haul trucking. Hilarious!
I know plenty about it, that's why I chose to stay closer to home.
"I only drove short to medium haul", hilarious! Hey I drove a truck
for a while too. It was a dump truck, a summer job. Short haul, lol!
And one thing I learned about trucking is that if you cut operating
costs by 70%, whoever owns the business makes a lot more money.
That's not exclusive to trucking.
The one thing you NEVER learned is pas through costs.
Batteries (many big ones) = a pass through cost.
OMFG. Batteries cost something! What a revelation.
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That job will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
I do not think so, but anything is theoretically possible.
I don't care what you think.
Oh but you DO, you really DO!
That's why you keep flailing away at my replies to no avail.
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The companies that are developing the
EV trucks don't either.
All smoke and mirrors
https://electrek.co/2017/10/07/tesla-semi-electric-truck-prototype-elon-musk/
"Morgan Stanley recently called the unveiling of Tesla Semi ‘the biggest
catalyst in trucking in decades’ and they expect that the electric truck could
be 70% cheaper to operate than a diesel-powered truck."
I wonder WHO they're bankrolling?
Eh?
Its all a CONSPIRACEEEE!
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http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/institutional-holdings
MORGAN STANLEY    06/30/2017    1,420,182    (2,167,955)    (60.42)    506,835
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Not for long haul by along shot.
Now stop snipping the citations you can learn from, coward.
What's the average price of retail electricity in the USA?
What does that have to do with COMMERCIAL rate electricity?
Dolt!
COMMERCIAL rate electricity is far less than retail, and even at retail
prices the total cost of ownership for EV's is far less. Why do you
keep on running?
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Nope - the overall cost of the batteries is prohibitive for true long haul use.
And you know this how?
I stay "current", lol.
I knew enough to make you look like shit again.
So you
Did as I said, yes.
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So you don't actually know.
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You are welcome to try to point out a lie.
I already have.
Couldn't identify a lie.
No wonder, it's ALL you do here.
Picking just one out would be difficult.
Couldn't identify a single
Post after post really...
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If you
actually do long haul trucking, dimwit, your ass is grass.
I only drove short to medium haul, many moons ago, dimmy.
So you don't know a damn thing about long haul trucking. Hilarious!
I know plenty about it, that's why I chose to stay closer to home.
"I only drove short to medium haul", hilarious! Hey I drove a truck
for a while too. It was a dump truck, a summer job. Short haul, lol!
And one thing I learned about trucking is that if you cut operating
costs by 70%, whoever owns the business makes a lot more money.
That's not exclusive to trucking.
The one thing you NEVER learned is pas through costs.
Batteries (many big ones) = a pass through cost.
OMFG. Batteries cost something! What a revelation.
Ya think?

Guess what - diesel has no such pass through cost.

Lol.
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That job will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV
trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
I do not think so, but anything is theoretically possible.
I don't care what you think.
Oh but you DO, you really DO!
That's why you keep flailing away at my replies to no avail.
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The companies that are developing the
EV trucks don't either.
All smoke and mirrors
https://electrek.co/2017/10/07/tesla-semi-electric-truck-prototype-elon-musk/
"Morgan Stanley recently called the unveiling of Tesla Semi ‘the biggest
catalyst in trucking in decades’ and they expect that the electric truck could
be 70% cheaper to operate than a diesel-powered truck."
I wonder WHO they're bankrolling?
Eh?
Its all a CONSPIRACEEEE!
No, it's public record, dim bulb.

That's why I could SPANK you with it, LOL!
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http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/institutional-holdings
MORGAN STANLEY    06/30/2017    1,420,182    (2,167,955)    (60.42)
506,835
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Not for long haul by along shot.
Now stop snipping the citations you can learn from, coward.
What's the average price of retail electricity in the USA?
What does that have to do with COMMERCIAL rate electricity?
Dolt!
COMMERCIAL rate electricity is far less than retail,
Thanks for the self-spank on your obfuscation, cunt.
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Nope - the overall cost of the batteries is prohibitive for true long haul use.
And you know this how?
I stay "current", lol.
I knew enough to make you look like shit again.
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So you don't actually know.
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You are welcome to try to point out a lie.
I already have.
Couldn't identify a lie.
No wonder, it's ALL you do here.
Picking just one out would be difficult.
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If you
actually do long haul trucking, dimwit, your ass is grass.
I only drove short to medium haul, many moons ago, dimmy.
So you don't know a damn thing about long haul trucking.
Hilarious!
I know plenty about it, that's why I chose to stay closer to
home.
"I only drove short to medium haul", hilarious! Hey I drove a
truck for a while too. It was a dump truck, a summer job. Short
haul, lol!
And one thing I learned about trucking is that if you cut
operating costs by 70%, whoever owns the business makes a lot
more money.
That's not exclusive to trucking.
The one thing you NEVER learned is pas through costs.
Batteries (many big ones) = a pass through cost.
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That job will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
I do not think so, but anything is theoretically possible.
I don't care what you think.
Oh but you DO, you really DO!
That's why you keep flailing away at my replies to no avail.
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The companies that are developing the
EV trucks don't either.
All smoke and mirrors
https://electrek.co/2017/10/07/tesla-semi-electric-truck-prototype
-elon-musk/
"Morgan Stanley recently called the unveiling of Tesla Semi
‘the biggest catalyst in trucking in decades’ and they expect
that the electric truck could
be 70% cheaper to operate than a diesel-powered truck."
I wonder WHO they're bankrolling?
Eh?
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/institutional-holdings
MORGAN STANLEY 06/30/2017 1,420,182 (2,167,955)
(60.42) 506,835
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Not for long haul by along shot.
Now stop snipping the citations you can learn from, coward.
What's the average price of retail electricity in the USA?
What does that have to do with COMMERCIAL rate electricity?
Dolt!
You are trying to debate with the village idiot. Unum makes a fool
of himself daily in the global warming groups. Drop over for a good
laugh sometime.
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Nope - the overall cost of the batteries is prohibitive for true long haul use.
And you know this how?
I stay "current", lol.
I knew enough to make you look like shit again.
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So you don't actually know.
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You are welcome to try to point out a lie.
I already have.
Couldn't identify a lie.
No wonder, it's ALL you do here.
Picking just one out would be difficult.
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If you
actually do long haul trucking, dimwit, your ass is grass.
I only drove short to medium haul, many moons ago, dimmy.
So you don't know a damn thing about long haul trucking.
Hilarious!
I know plenty about it, that's why I chose to stay closer to home.
"I only drove short to medium haul", hilarious! Hey I drove a
truck for a while too. It was a dump truck, a summer job. Short
haul, lol!
And one thing I learned about trucking is that if you cut
operating costs by 70%, whoever owns the business makes a lot
more money.
That's not exclusive to trucking.
The one thing you NEVER learned is pas through costs.
Batteries (many big ones) = a pass through cost.
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That job will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
I do not think so, but anything is theoretically possible.
I don't care what you think.
Oh but you DO, you really DO!
That's why you keep flailing away at my replies to no avail.
Post by Unum
The companies that are developing the
EV trucks don't either.
All smoke and mirrors
https://electrek.co/2017/10/07/tesla-semi-electric-truck-prototype
-elon-musk/
"Morgan Stanley recently called the unveiling of Tesla Semi
‘the biggest catalyst in trucking in decades’ and they expect
that the electric truck could
be 70% cheaper to operate than a diesel-powered truck."
I wonder WHO they're bankrolling?
Eh?
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/institutional-holdings
MORGAN STANLEY 06/30/2017 1,420,182 (2,167,955)
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Not for long haul by along shot.
Now stop snipping the citations you can learn from, coward.
What's the average price of retail electricity in the USA?
What does that have to do with COMMERCIAL rate electricity?
Dolt!
You are trying to debate with the village idiot. Unum makes a fool
of himself daily in the global warming groups. Drop over for a good
laugh sometime.
I have been thinking of cleaning those groups out next, thankee!

My work here is mostly done...

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You know NOTHING about the industry, turdbrain!
I know people like an extra $180 for a day's work, lol.
They're not getting it, moron. MOST truckers drive FOR companies... THEY
don't get the "savings", dumb ass, ESPECIALLY when they've spent 3 times
or MORE for a truck.

The "savings" won't happen for decades, and maybe never, if the truck gets
into a wreck and totaled.

I see you conveniently forgot to respond to the numbers I posted about gas
burners vs. electric.

The cost "savings" might NEVER be made up.
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At
my residence I pay $0.08/kWh.
Annnnd you think it's going to be the EXACT same price at a "quick-
charging" station?

Nope.

You're a fucking moron.

Will YOU pay for the infrastructure? No... mommy will. Does the PUBLIC
have to pay for these charging stations? Or is the cost of charging going
to be solely on the "users"? I'd REALLY like that cited, please.

So... in addition to paying taxes on gasoline, which can be raised at ANY
time, are we going to pay MORE in taxes to build and maintain electric
charging stations?

Seems fair, even though the VAST majority of people will NOT have electric
vehicles. Until the year 2525.

I'll ask again... does the PUBLIC have to pay for these charging stations,
or is the cost of charging going to be solely on the "users"?

How much will a "quick charge" of a 14 ton battery cost? How about a
"regular" charge, that the drivers can get while they sleep it off in the
cab, for up to 10 hours?

Me thinks that this is NOT going to be very much cheaper, if at all, than
diesel power, when you add everything up.

Switching gears, puns intended...

For cars: "The average cost of electricity in the US
is 12 cents per kWh. (NOT .08) Therefore, the average
person driving the average EV 15,000 miles per year
pays about $540.00 per year to charge it." - pluginamerica.org

Yes, electricity is 3 times as cheap, per year, but the INITIAL price of
the car, which is typically 3 times as much as well, IS a mitigating
factor.

Do you pay $100,000 (Tesla Model S) for an electric vs. $35,000 (Nissan
Maxima 3.5 SV), then save the $1000 a year for 10 years? Sounds good,
but...

And don't even TRY to compare tiny little EV cars (Volt, Prius, etc.), to
nice roomy cars that people actually LIKE to own and drive. If I'm going
to have to drive a Volt, I might as well look for a Yugo!

Apples and apples.

https://imgur.com/a/eCc9J

Gas car: 15,00 miles / 25mpg-avg x $2.50 per/gal = $1500/yr.

Tesla:
$100,000 + ($540.00 x 10yrs. which = $5400.00) = $154,000

Nissan:
$35,000 + ($1500 x 10yrs. which = $15,000) = $45,000

I'm buying the Nissan.

Even at $50 a week for gas, that's still only $61,000 vs. $154,000.

I'm buying the Nissan.

Now... will paying for the kWhs be the ONLY charge, or will there be taxes
and other kinds of add-ons included?
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2017-10-09 00:51:29 UTC
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The claim was that the truck couldn't even carry the
batteries,
Whose?
No one's... just another liberal dickhead ploy, to deflect away from his
ignorance.

The "claim", was that batteries would weigh too much to be able to haul as
much of a load as current trucks do.

There are weight limits, unum, you fucking moron.
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That job will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
No fucking way. It's all pie-in-the-sky phoney baloney, coming from people
IN the industry who want more federal money, and to keep the interest up,
even WHEN they fail, like the 100s of "alternative energy" firms did
during the Obama government money give-away regime.
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2017-10-09 01:16:23 UTC
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That job will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
No fucking way. It's all pie-in-the-sky phoney baloney, coming from people
IN the industry who want more federal money, and to keep the interest up,
even WHEN they fail, like the 100s of "alternative energy" firms did
during the Obama government money give-away regime.
Please list 200 such companies that failed .
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That job will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
No fucking way. It's all pie-in-the-sky phoney baloney, coming from people
IN the industry who want more federal money, and to keep the interest up,
even WHEN they fail, like the 100s of "alternative energy" firms did
during the Obama government money give-away regime.
Please list 200 such companies that failed .
I can probably list THREE hundred, that got some money (not millions or
billions), but are no longer in business, but I'm not going to do it FOR
you. You obviously have a computer. This one doesn't do legwork for you
lazy Democrats.

I have this on the computer, and took about 3 seconds to look up. I'm
listing the (M)(B)ILLION dollar losers only. Look up the little losers,
yourself.

=====

A partial list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies and their
loan amounts that they will default on:

1. Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2. SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3. Solyndra ($535 million)*
4. Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5. Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6. SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7. First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8. Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9. EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10. Amonix ($5.9 million)
11. Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12. Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13. A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14. Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15. Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16. Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17. ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18. Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19. Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20. Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21. Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10M)*
22. Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23. Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24. Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25. Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26. GreenVolts ($500,000)
27. Vestas ($50 million)
28. LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29. Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30. Navistar ($39 million)
31. Satcon ($3 million)*
32. Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
33. Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
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That job will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
No fucking way. It's all pie-in-the-sky phoney baloney, coming from people
IN the industry who want more federal money, and to keep the interest up,
even WHEN they fail, like the 100s of "alternative energy" firms did
during the Obama government money give-away regime.
Not my quote, yeah it's a subsidy play.
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That job
will be replaced within 10 years with autonomous EV trucks running
24x7 for a fraction of the price.
No fucking way. It's all pie-in-the-sky phoney baloney, coming from people
IN the industry who want more federal money, and to keep the interest up,
even WHEN they fail, like the 100s of "alternative energy" firms did
during the Obama government money give-away regime.
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There's a reason they sit in the chicken coop pouring over log books, shit for
brains!
We'll just assume most drivers take at least a lunch break.
Are YOU a trucker, or do you KNOW any? They don't take "lunch".

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

He said, "take" lunch.

God, you're an idiot.
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There's a reason they sit in the chicken coop pouring over log books, shit for
brains!
We'll just assume most drivers take at least a lunch break.
Are YOU a trucker, or do you KNOW any? They don't take "lunch".
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
He said, "take" lunch.
God, you're an idiot.
Wouldn't know a jake brake from a parking brake...
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An no semi-sized battery is ever going to recharge in 1/2 an hour, ya MORON!'
An hour of fast charging gives 80% range.
Bull - fucking - shit.

Cite it. Never mind... you can't... the truck batteries aren't yet MADE,
and even if there's a prototype, it will NOT charge 80% in a hour.

Because Tesla says that their CARS can charge "that" fast, these truck
batteries WILL not, unless the charging station harnesses the power it
takes to power new York City, and THAT ain't happenin'.

Cite the plans to build the infrastructure to house these gigantic
chargers. You never cite the added cost of THOSE.

Mo money, mo money, mo money! TAX money.
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That is up to 750 miles.
"licensed" doesn't mean people do 10 hours of straight driving, dumbass.
Yes it does, dumb ass. Ask a fucking trucker, like I'VE done, instead of
acting like a fucking know-it-all, pansy-ass liberal nerd.

Oops, I meant to say TYPICAL know-it-all, pansy-ass liberal nerd.

Sorry.
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A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
Right on!
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2017-10-06 16:25:01 UTC
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A semi truck with an initial range of 200-300 miles will be demonstrated
this month. Dimwits on the internet think that is as far as it will
ever go.
When the battery packs of long (up to 600 miles) hauling electrics weigh
AND cost more than a big-rig itself does, the demonstration will be as far
as it goes, pun intended.
Right on!
forgery.
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After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced Monday
that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
Bullshit!
No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul
diesel, cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc.
Obvious lie, Tesla will demonstrate the Tesla Semi truck prototype
shortly. It won't be long before long haul trucks are autonomous
electric vehicles.
Tesla is smoke & mirrors.
A lot of people don't appear to share your personal opinion.
Sheeple will be fleeced.
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Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing. Something very close to it
is going to be demonstrated this month.
I claim it has no capacity, longevity, nor total grunt to replace a
diesel long haul truck.

Done.
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"Reuters reported earlier this month that Tesla is developing self-driving
capability for the big rig."
Bud already did that.
Yap yap yap.
Sucks to have me drag reality all over ya, huh?
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2017-10-05 15:58:21 UTC
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After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced Monday that
the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
Bullshit!
No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul diesel,
cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc.
Obvious lie, Tesla will demonstrate the Tesla Semi truck prototype
shortly. It won't be long before long haul trucks are autonomous
electric vehicles.
Tesla is smoke & mirrors.
A lot of people don't appear to share your personal opinion.
Sheeple will be fleeced.
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Post by BumbleBee
Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing. Something very close to it
is going to be demonstrated this month.
I claim it has no capacity, longevity, nor total grunt to replace a diesel
long haul truck.
Done.
So all you have is a big fat yap?
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"Reuters reported earlier this month that Tesla is developing self-driving
capability for the big rig."
Bud already did that.
Yap yap yap.
Sucks to have me drag reality all over ya, huh?
You need to go find it, and then show it here. A big mouth doesn't cut it.
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After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced Monday
that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
Bullshit!
No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul
diesel, cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc.
Obvious lie, Tesla will demonstrate the Tesla Semi truck prototype
shortly. It won't be long before long haul trucks are autonomous
electric vehicles.
Tesla is smoke & mirrors.
A lot of people don't appear to share your personal opinion.
Sheeple will be fleeced.
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Post by BumbleBee
Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing. Something very close to it
is going to be demonstrated this month.
I claim it has no capacity, longevity, nor total grunt to replace a
diesel long haul truck.
Done.
So all you have is a big fat yap?
From your very citation on the matter:


http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112434_cummins-electric-semi-truck-traditional-maker-takes-on-tesla


"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by
that time; the company promises 100 miles of range.

That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
Post by Unum
"Reuters reported earlier this month that Tesla is developing self-driving
capability for the big rig."
Bud already did that.
Yap yap yap.
Sucks to have me drag reality all over ya, huh?
You need to go find it, and then show it here. A big mouth doesn't cut it.
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by
that time; the company promises 100 miles of range."

That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."


"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by
that time; the company promises 100 miles of range.

That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."

"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by
that time; the company promises 100 miles of range."

That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."

"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by
that time; the company promises 100 miles of range.

That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."

"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by
that time; the company promises 100 miles of range.

That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."

"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by
that time; the company promises 100 miles of range.

That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."

"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by
that time; the company promises 100 miles of range.

That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."

"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by
that time; the company promises 100 miles of range.

That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."


http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112434_cummins-electric-semi-truck-traditional-maker-takes-on-tesla


Now GIVE - Motherfucker!
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After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels, General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced Monday that
the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
Bullshit!
No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul diesel,
cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc.
Obvious lie, Tesla will demonstrate the Tesla Semi truck prototype
shortly. It won't be long before long haul trucks are autonomous
electric vehicles.
Tesla is smoke & mirrors.
A lot of people don't appear to share your personal opinion.
Sheeple will be fleeced.
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Post by BumbleBee
Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing. Something very close to it
is going to be demonstrated this month.
I claim it has no capacity, longevity, nor total grunt to replace a diesel
long haul truck.
Done.
So all you have is a big fat yap?
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112434_cummins-electric-semi-truck-traditional-maker-takes-on-tesla
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by that
time; the company promises 100 miles of range.
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
Post by Unum
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Post by Unum
"Reuters reported earlier this month that Tesla is developing self-driving
capability for the big rig."
Bud already did that.
Yap yap yap.
Sucks to have me drag reality all over ya, huh?
You need to go find it, and then show it here. A big mouth doesn't cut it.
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by that
time; the company promises 100 miles of range."
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."
That's the initial demonstration unit, dumbass. First Tesla is all 'smoke
and mirrors', now even Cummins is developing an electric-semi truck.
Keep on running, boy.

"Although it is only capable of 100 miles of range, Cummins said a long-range
version of the Urban Hauler Tractor is also under development, though it
didn't provide any potential range figures."

In the worst case they will simply swap in fresh batteries every few hundred
miles. Did you know that diesel semi's get about 6mpg? It costs around $40
just in fuel to go 100 miles. Figure on well under $10 for an EV.
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After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil
fuels, General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced
Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
Bullshit!
No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul
diesel, cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc.
Obvious lie, Tesla will demonstrate the Tesla Semi truck prototype
shortly. It won't be long before long haul trucks are autonomous
electric vehicles.
Tesla is smoke & mirrors.
A lot of people don't appear to share your personal opinion.
Sheeple will be fleeced.
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Post by BumbleBee
Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing. Something very close to it
is going to be demonstrated this month.
I claim it has no capacity, longevity, nor total grunt to replace a
diesel long haul truck.
Done.
So all you have is a big fat yap?
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112434_cummins-electric-semi-truck-traditional-maker-takes-on-tesla
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by
that time; the company promises 100 miles of range.
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored
to offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to
300-mile range."
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
Post by Unum
"Reuters reported earlier this month that Tesla is developing self-driving
capability for the big rig."
Bud already did that.
Yap yap yap.
Sucks to have me drag reality all over ya, huh?
You need to go find it, and then show it here. A big mouth doesn't cut it.
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by
that time; the company promises 100 miles of range."
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored
to offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to
300-mile range."
That's the initial demonstration unit, dumbass.
30o fucking miles.

Maybe it can pull a semi trailer full of Tesla batteries and deliver
pizzas long haul, LOL!
Post by Unum
First Tesla is all 'smoke
and mirrors', now even Cummins is developing an electric-semi truck.
Keep on running, boy.
300 miles, BOY!
Post by Unum
"Although it is only capable of 100 miles of range, Cummins said a long-range
version of the Urban Hauler Tractor is also under development, though it
didn't provide any potential range figures."
Oh I BET it didn't, LOLOLOL!!!
Post by Unum
In the worst case they will simply swap in fresh batteries every few hundred
miles.
Yeah?

I wonder what that'll cost...
Post by Unum
Did you know that diesel semi's get about 6mpg?
Wrong, dipshit!

Your numbers are 20 years out of date.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097471_daimler-unveils-supertruck-12-mpg-semi-is-more-than-twice-as-fuel-efficient

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a4173/news-peterbilt-cummins-tractor-trailer-fuel-economy/

Why a 10 MPG Peterbilt semi is a really big deal
A 54% fuel savings is no small thing.
Post by Unum
It costs around $40
just in fuel to go 100 miles. Figure on well under $10 for an EV.
Figure on being a laughing stock as long as you keep posting your
chicken little screeds, ya dumb asshole!
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Maybe it can pull a semi trailer full of Tesla batteries and deliver
pizzas long haul, LOL!
Nope... too much weight.

The researchers considered data on average loads carried by trucks,
average distances traveled, and a slew of specific trucking-related
physical parameters, such as drag coefficients, rolling resistance, air
density, and overall powertrain efficiency. The kind of full-size tractor
trailers Musk wants to make cover, on average, 300 to 600 miles a day.

Say the Tesla truck runs a lithium-ion battery system that generates 243
watt-hours per kilogram at the cell-level-a good bet based on the tech in
Tesla's current cars. To cover 600 miles without stopping to charge, the
truck would need a 14 ton battery. A 900-mile battery would weigh about 22
tons. Based on current prices, those packs would cost between $290,000 and
$450,000. A comparable diesel rig costs about $120,000, all-in.
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Maybe it can pull a semi trailer full of Tesla batteries and deliver
pizzas long haul, LOL!
Nope... too much weight.
Ooopsie!!!
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The researchers considered data on average loads carried by trucks,
average distances traveled, and a slew of specific trucking-related
physical parameters, such as drag coefficients, rolling resistance, air
density, and overall powertrain efficiency. The kind of full-size tractor
trailers Musk wants to make cover, on average, 300 to 600 miles a day.
Say the Tesla truck runs a lithium-ion battery system that generates 243
watt-hours per kilogram at the cell-level-a good bet based on the tech in
Tesla's current cars. To cover 600 miles without stopping to charge, the
truck would need a 14 ton battery. A 900-mile battery would weigh about 22
tons. Based on current prices, those packs would cost between $290,000 and
$450,000. A comparable diesel rig costs about $120,000, all-in.
Mebbe they can make it run on LED's...lol...
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After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels,
General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced Monday
that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
Bullshit!
No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul
diesel, cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc.
Obvious lie, Tesla will demonstrate the Tesla Semi truck prototype
shortly. It won't be long before long haul trucks are autonomous
electric vehicles.
Tesla is smoke & mirrors.
A lot of people don't appear to share your personal opinion.
Sheeple will be fleeced.
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Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing. Something very close to it
is going to be demonstrated this month.
I claim it has no capacity, longevity, nor total grunt to replace a
diesel long haul truck.
Done.
So all you have is a big fat yap?
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112434_cummins-electric-semi-truck-traditional-maker-takes-on-tesla
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by that
time; the company promises 100 miles of range.
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."
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"Reuters reported earlier this month that Tesla is developing self-driving
capability for the big rig."
Bud already did that.
Yap yap yap.
Sucks to have me drag reality all over ya, huh?
You need to go find it, and then show it here. A big mouth doesn't cut it.
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by that
time; the company promises 100 miles of range."
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."
That's the initial demonstration unit, dumbass.
30o fucking miles.
Maybe it can pull a semi trailer full of Tesla batteries and deliver pizzas
long haul, LOL!
Post by Unum
First Tesla is all 'smoke
and mirrors', now even Cummins is developing an electric-semi truck.
Keep on running, boy.
300 miles, BOY!
Post by Unum
"Although it is only capable of 100 miles of range, Cummins said a long-range
version of the Urban Hauler Tractor is also under development, though it
didn't provide any potential range figures."
Oh I BET it didn't, LOLOLOL!!!
Post by Unum
In the worst case they will simply swap in fresh batteries every few hundred
miles.
Yeah?
I wonder what that'll cost...
Post by Unum
Did you know that diesel semi's get about 6mpg?
Wrong, dipshit!
Your numbers are 20 years out of date.
Lol, 20 years?
Post by BumbleBee
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097471_daimler-unveils-supertruck-12-mpg-semi-is-more-than-twice-as-fuel-efficient
"Announced" 2 years ago, jackass.

"Daimler claims certain Federal regulations prevent putting the truck into
production as is." Which probably means the emissions are incredibly dirty.
Post by BumbleBee
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a4173/news-peterbilt-cummins-tractor-trailer-fuel-economy/
Why a 10 MPG Peterbilt semi is a really big deal
A 54% fuel savings is no small thing.
Go buy you one right now, lol! Except they aren't for sale. Still would cost
way more than juice for an EV.
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Post by Unum
It costs around $40
just in fuel to go 100 miles. Figure on well under $10 for an EV.
Figure on being a laughing stock as long as you keep posting your chicken
little screeds, ya dumb asshole!
All you've got is a big fat nasty yap.
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After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels,
General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced Monday
that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
Bullshit!
No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul
diesel, cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc.
Obvious lie, Tesla will demonstrate the Tesla Semi truck prototype
shortly. It won't be long before long haul trucks are autonomous
electric vehicles.
Tesla is smoke & mirrors.
A lot of people don't appear to share your personal opinion.
Sheeple will be fleeced.
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Post by BumbleBee
Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing. Something very close to it
is going to be demonstrated this month.
I claim it has no capacity, longevity, nor total grunt to replace a
diesel long haul truck.
Done.
So all you have is a big fat yap?
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112434_cummins-electric-semi-truck-traditional-maker-takes-on-tesla
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by that
time; the company promises 100 miles of range.
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."
Post by Unum
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Post by Unum
"Reuters reported earlier this month that Tesla is developing self-driving
capability for the big rig."
Bud already did that.
Yap yap yap.
Sucks to have me drag reality all over ya, huh?
You need to go find it, and then show it here. A big mouth doesn't cut it.
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by that
time; the company promises 100 miles of range."
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."
That's the initial demonstration unit, dumbass.
30o fucking miles.
Maybe it can pull a semi trailer full of Tesla batteries and deliver pizzas
long haul, LOL!
Post by Unum
First Tesla is all 'smoke
and mirrors', now even Cummins is developing an electric-semi truck.
Keep on running, boy.
300 miles, BOY!
Post by Unum
"Although it is only capable of 100 miles of range, Cummins said a long-range
version of the Urban Hauler Tractor is also under development, though it
didn't provide any potential range figures."
Oh I BET it didn't, LOLOLOL!!!
Post by Unum
In the worst case they will simply swap in fresh batteries every few hundred
miles.
Yeah?
I wonder what that'll cost...
Post by Unum
Did you know that diesel semi's get about 6mpg?
Wrong, dipshit!
Your numbers are 20 years out of date.
Lol, 20 years?
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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097471_daimler-unveils-supertruck-12-mpg-semi-is-more-than-twice-as-fuel-efficient
Lesseee ... if 12 mpg is "more than twice as fuel efficient" as other
diesels ...

... then other diesels get less than 12 / 2 = 6 mpg.

Hmmm ... sounds like the 6 mpg you scoffed at.
Post by Unum
"Announced" 2 years ago, jackass.
"Daimler claims certain Federal regulations prevent putting the truck into
production as is." Which probably means the emissions are incredibly dirty.
Post by BumbleBee
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a4173/news-peterbilt-cummins-tractor-trailer-fuel-economy/
Why a 10 MPG Peterbilt semi is a really big deal
A 54% fuel savings is no small thing.
Go buy you one right now, lol! Except they aren't for sale. Still would cost
way more than juice for an EV.
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Post by Unum
It costs around $40
just in fuel to go 100 miles. Figure on well under $10 for an EV.
Figure on being a laughing stock as long as you keep posting your chicken
little screeds, ya dumb asshole!
All you've got is a big fat nasty yap.
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After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil fuels,
General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced Monday
that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
Bullshit!
No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul
diesel, cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc.
Obvious lie, Tesla will demonstrate the Tesla Semi truck prototype
shortly. It won't be long before long haul trucks are autonomous
electric vehicles.
Tesla is smoke & mirrors.
A lot of people don't appear to share your personal opinion.
Sheeple will be fleeced.
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing. Something very close to it
is going to be demonstrated this month.
I claim it has no capacity, longevity, nor total grunt to replace a
diesel long haul truck.
Done.
So all you have is a big fat yap?
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112434_cummins-electric-semi-truck-traditional-maker-takes-on-tesla
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by that
time; the company promises 100 miles of range.
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."
Post by Unum
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Post by Unum
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"Reuters reported earlier this month that Tesla is developing
self-driving
capability for the big rig."
Bud already did that.
Yap yap yap.
Sucks to have me drag reality all over ya, huh?
You need to go find it, and then show it here. A big mouth doesn't cut it.
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by that
time; the company promises 100 miles of range."
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."
That's the initial demonstration unit, dumbass.
30o fucking miles.
Maybe it can pull a semi trailer full of Tesla batteries and deliver pizzas
long haul, LOL!
Post by Unum
First Tesla is all 'smoke
and mirrors', now even Cummins is developing an electric-semi truck.
Keep on running, boy.
300 miles, BOY!
Post by Unum
"Although it is only capable of 100 miles of range, Cummins said a long-range
version of the Urban Hauler Tractor is also under development, though it
didn't provide any potential range figures."
Oh I BET it didn't, LOLOLOL!!!
Post by Unum
In the worst case they will simply swap in fresh batteries every few hundred
miles.
Yeah?
I wonder what that'll cost...
Post by Unum
Did you know that diesel semi's get about 6mpg?
Wrong, dipshit!
Your numbers are 20 years out of date.
Lol, 20 years?
Post by BumbleBee
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097471_daimler-unveils-supertruck-12-mpg-semi-is-more-than-twice-as-fuel-efficient
Lesseee ... if 12 mpg is "more than twice as fuel efficient" as other
diesels ...
... then other diesels get less than 12 / 2 = 6 mpg.
Hmmm ... sounds like the 6 mpg you scoffed at.
A lie, most newer diesel cabs on the market now get 8-10 mpg.

https://itstillruns.com/fuel-mileage-information-semi-trucks-5844120.html

Though the average tractor trailer fuel mileage of between 7 to 8 miles
per gallon (MPG) may not seem impressive, it's a vast improvement over
older designs that rarely saw better than 2 to 3 MPG.

https://www.answers.com/Q/Average_mpg_of_a_semi_truck

What is the average mpg for a 24 foot diesel box truck?
The average miles per gallon for a 24 Ford diesel box truck is 11 
miles per gallon. The miles per gallon is dependent upon the  driving
conditions and the driver.

http://www.peterbilt.com/about/media/2014/396/

Peterbilt Motors Company, a division of PACCAR (Nasdaq: PCAR), and
Cummins Inc. (NYSE: CMI), announced today that the latest version of
their SuperTruck demonstration tractor-trailer achieved 10.7 mpg last
month under real-world driving conditions.

Developing a truck that could meet or exceed 10 mpg when fully loaded
was considered unlikely, if not impossible, just a few years back, with
most trucks averaging between 5.5 and 6.5 mpg. However, with advances in
engines, aerodynamics and more, SuperTruck has proven that 10 mpg is
attainable.

SuperTruck averaged a 75 percent increase in fuel economy, a 43 percent
reduction in greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions and an 86 percent gain in
freight efficiency in 24-hour, head-to-head testing against a 2009
baseline truck - all significant improvements.
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Post by Unum
"Announced" 2 years ago, jackass.
"Daimler claims certain Federal regulations prevent putting the truck into
production as is." Which probably means the emissions are incredibly dirty.
Post by BumbleBee
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a4173/news-peterbilt-cummins-tractor-trailer-fuel-economy/
Why a 10 MPG Peterbilt semi is a really big deal
A 54% fuel savings is no small thing.
Go buy you one right now, lol! Except they aren't for sale. Still would cost
way more than juice for an EV.
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Post by Unum
It costs around $40
just in fuel to go 100 miles. Figure on well under $10 for an EV.
Figure on being a laughing stock as long as you keep posting your chicken
little screeds, ya dumb asshole!
All you've got is a big fat nasty yap.
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After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil
fuels, General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced
Monday that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
Bullshit!
No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long
haul diesel, cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc.
Obvious lie, Tesla will demonstrate the Tesla Semi truck prototype
shortly. It won't be long before long haul trucks are autonomous
electric vehicles.
Tesla is smoke & mirrors.
A lot of people don't appear to share your personal opinion.
Sheeple will be fleeced.
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing. Something very close to it
is going to be demonstrated this month.
I claim it has no capacity, longevity, nor total grunt to replace
a diesel long haul truck.
Done.
So all you have is a big fat yap?
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112434_cummins-electric-semi-truck-traditional-maker-takes-on-tesla
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by
that time; the company promises 100 miles of range.
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is
rumored to offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200-
to 300-mile range."
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
Post by Unum
"Reuters reported earlier this month that Tesla is developing self-driving
capability for the big rig."
Bud already did that.
Yap yap yap.
Sucks to have me drag reality all over ya, huh?
You need to go find it, and then show it here. A big mouth doesn't cut it.
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by
that time; the company promises 100 miles of range."
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is
rumored to offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200-
to 300-mile range."
That's the initial demonstration unit, dumbass.
30o fucking miles.
Maybe it can pull a semi trailer full of Tesla batteries and deliver
pizzas long haul, LOL!
Post by Unum
First Tesla is all 'smoke
and mirrors', now even Cummins is developing an electric-semi truck.
Keep on running, boy.
300 miles, BOY!
Post by Unum
"Although it is only capable of 100 miles of range, Cummins said a long-range
version of the Urban Hauler Tractor is also under development, though it
didn't provide any potential range figures."
Oh I BET it didn't, LOLOLOL!!!
Post by Unum
In the worst case they will simply swap in fresh batteries every few hundred
miles.
Yeah?
I wonder what that'll cost...
Post by Unum
Did you know that diesel semi's get about 6mpg?
Wrong, dipshit!
Your numbers are 20 years out of date.
Lol, 20 years?
Post by BumbleBee
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097471_daimler-unveils-supertruck-12-mpg-semi-is-more-than-twice-as-fuel-efficient
"Announced" 2 years ago, jackass.
"Daimler claims certain Federal regulations prevent putting the truck into
production as is." Which probably means the emissions are incredibly dirty.
Yes, 20 years asshole!

We've had units getting 8-10 mpg for at least that lomng, ya know
nothing alarmist!
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a4173/news-peterbilt-cummins-tractor-trailer-fuel-economy/
Why a 10 MPG Peterbilt semi is a really big deal
A 54% fuel savings is no small thing.
Go buy you one right now, lol! Except they aren't for sale. Still would cost
way more than juice for an EV.
Nope.

And NO one, save for a MORON, compares the cost of one cab to another
based upon fuel cost alone.

You know ZERO about long haul trucking, shit for brains!
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Post by Unum
It costs around $40
just in fuel to go 100 miles. Figure on well under $10 for an EV.
Figure on being a laughing stock as long as you keep posting your
chicken little screeds, ya dumb asshole!
All you've got is a big fat nasty yap.
You made a ludicrous pinata out of yourself, I mean you REALLY did it
this time, ya n--nothing MORON!
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After nearly a century of building vehicles powered by fossil
fuels, General
Motors — one of the world’s largest automakers — announced Monday
that the end
of GM producing internal combustion engines is fast approaching.
Bullshit!
No electric vehicle will replace a work pickup truck, long haul
diesel, cube delivery, snowplow truck, etc.
Obvious lie, Tesla will demonstrate the Tesla Semi truck prototype
shortly. It won't be long before long haul trucks are autonomous
electric vehicles.
Tesla is smoke & mirrors.
A lot of people don't appear to share your personal opinion.
Sheeple will be fleeced.
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
Their "truck" is no long haul capable replacement.
You claimed there would never be such a thing. Something very close to it
is going to be demonstrated this month.
I claim it has no capacity, longevity, nor total grunt to replace a
diesel long haul truck.
Done.
So all you have is a big fat yap?
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112434_cummins-electric-semi-truck-traditional-maker-takes-on-tesla
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by that
time; the company promises 100 miles of range.
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
Post by Unum
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Post by Unum
"Reuters reported earlier this month that Tesla is developing
self-driving
capability for the big rig."
Bud already did that.
Yap yap yap.
Sucks to have me drag reality all over ya, huh?
You need to go find it, and then show it here. A big mouth doesn't cut it.
"Cummins is confident the powertrain will be ready for production by that
time; the company promises 100 miles of range."
That figure is well below what Tesla's electric-semi truck is rumored to
offer: Tesla's electric semi will reportedly have a 200- to 300-mile range."
That's the initial demonstration unit, dumbass.
30o fucking miles.
Maybe it can pull a semi trailer full of Tesla batteries and deliver pizzas
long haul, LOL!
Post by Unum
First Tesla is all 'smoke
and mirrors', now even Cummins is developing an electric-semi truck.
Keep on running, boy.
300 miles, BOY!
Post by Unum
"Although it is only capable of 100 miles of range, Cummins said a long-range
version of the Urban Hauler Tractor is also under development, though it
didn't provide any potential range figures."
Oh I BET it didn't, LOLOLOL!!!
Post by Unum
In the worst case they will simply swap in fresh batteries every few hundred
miles.
Yeah?
I wonder what that'll cost...
It will probably cost a little more than the electricity it took
to charge them. Or you could just hang out at the truck stop for
an hour while your batteries charge, your choice.
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Did you know that diesel semi's get about 6mpg?
Wrong, dipshit!
Your numbers are 20 years out of date.
Lol, 20 years?
Post by BumbleBee
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097471_daimler-unveils-supertruck-12-mpg-semi-is-more-than-twice-as-fuel-efficient
"Announced" 2 years ago, jackass.
"Daimler claims certain Federal regulations prevent putting the truck into
production as is." Which probably means the emissions are incredibly dirty.
Yes, 20 years asshole!
The 'supertruck' link above states "12-MPG Semi Is More Than Twice As
Fuel-Efficient", so we'll just assume that 6mpg is about average.
Post by BumbleBee
We've had units getting 8-10 mpg for at least that lomng, ya know nothing
alarmist!
https://www.edf.org/blog/2014/05/07/trucks-delivering-six-miles-gallon-wont-work-long-haul

"The average tractor-trailer can travel only six miles per gallon of diesel."
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a4173/news-peterbilt-cummins-tractor-trailer-fuel-economy/
Why a 10 MPG Peterbilt semi is a really big deal
A 54% fuel savings is no small thing.
Go buy you one right now, lol! Except they aren't for sale. Still would cost
way more than juice for an EV.
Nope.
https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_charging_home.html

"If electricity costs $0.11 per kWh and the vehicle consumes 34 kWh to travel
100 miles, the cost per mile is about $0.04."

Let's be generous and say it takes 80kWh for the truck to go
100 miles (though I am seeing estimates of 0.5kWh/mile). That's under $9.
Post by BumbleBee
And NO one, save for a MORON, compares the cost of one cab to another based
upon fuel cost alone.
You know ZERO about long haul trucking, shit for brains!
You can flap yer yap all you want, but a reduction of $200k in total
cost of ownership for the service lifetime of the vehicle actually
does matter.
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Post by Unum
It costs around $40
just in fuel to go 100 miles. Figure on well under $10 for an EV.
Figure on being a laughing stock as long as you keep posting your chicken
little screeds, ya dumb asshole!
All you've got is a big fat nasty yap.
You made a ludicrous pinata out of yourself, I mean you REALLY did it this
time, ya n--nothing MORON!
All that shrieking making you feel better? "No electric vehicle will replace
a ... long haul diesel". I've shown that it is not only feasible but cheaper
even with the technology of today!
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In the worst case they will simply swap in fresh batteries every few hundred
miles.
Yeah?
I wonder what that'll cost...
It will probably cost a little more than the electricity it took
to charge them.
Bullshit!

It's a whole new pack = manufacturing, warehousing, transport, &
recharging costs!

LOSER!
Post by Unum
Or you could just hang out at the truck stop for
an hour while your batteries charge, your choice.
That charge will not happen in a mere hour.
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Did you know that diesel semi's get about 6mpg?
Wrong, dipshit!
Your numbers are 20 years out of date.
Lol, 20 years?
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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097471_daimler-unveils-supertruck-12-mpg-semi-is-more-than-twice-as-fuel-efficient
"Announced" 2 years ago, jackass.
"Daimler claims certain Federal regulations prevent putting the truck into
production as is." Which probably means the emissions are incredibly dirty.
Yes, 20 years asshole!
The 'supertruck' link above states "12-MPG Semi Is More Than Twice As
Fuel-Efficient", so we'll just assume that 6mpg is about average.
And you'll asuume based on what USED TO be the norm.

Typical.
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Post by BumbleBee
We've had units getting 8-10 mpg for at least that lomng, ya know
nothing alarmist!
https://www.edf.org/blog/2014/05/07/trucks-delivering-six-miles-gallon-wont-work-long-haul
"The average tractor-trailer can travel only six miles per gallon of diesel."
A lie.

https://itstillruns.com/fuel-mileage-information-semi-trucks-5844120.html

the average tractor trailer fuel mileage of between 7 to 8 miles per
gallon (MPG) may not seem impressive, it's a vast improvement over older
designs that rarely saw better than 2 to 3 MPG.
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a4173/news-peterbilt-cummins-tractor-trailer-fuel-economy/
Why a 10 MPG Peterbilt semi is a really big deal
A 54% fuel savings is no small thing.
Go buy you one right now, lol! Except they aren't for sale. Still would cost
way more than juice for an EV.
Nope.
https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_charging_home.html
"If electricity costs
Nope, your personal scribbles and un-researched speculation is REJECTED!

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And NO one, save for a MORON, compares the cost of one cab to another
based upon fuel cost alone.
You know ZERO about long haul trucking, shit for brains!
You can flap
I'm right - period.

End of story.
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It costs around $40
just in fuel to go 100 miles. Figure on well under $10 for an EV.
Figure on being a laughing stock as long as you keep posting your
chicken little screeds, ya dumb asshole!
All you've got is a big fat nasty yap.
You made a ludicrous pinata out of yourself, I mean you REALLY did it
this time, ya n--nothing MORON!
All that shrieking making you feel better? "No electric vehicle will replace
a ... long haul diesel". I've shown that it is not only feasible but cheaper
even with the technology of today!
Not for long haul trucking you have not.

You fucking pissant.
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In the worst case they will simply swap in fresh batteries every few hundred
miles.
Yeah?
I wonder what that'll cost...
It will probably cost a little more than the electricity it took
to charge them.
Bullshit!
It's a whole new pack = manufacturing, warehousing, transport, & recharging
costs!
LOSER!
It is just a recharged battery pack, dimwit. Came from some previous truck
an hour or two ago.
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Post by Unum
Or you could just hang out at the truck stop for
an hour while your batteries charge, your choice.
That charge will not happen in a mere hour.
And you know this how?
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Did you know that diesel semi's get about 6mpg?
Wrong, dipshit!
Your numbers are 20 years out of date.
Lol, 20 years?
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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097471_daimler-unveils-supertruck-12-mpg-semi-is-more-than-twice-as-fuel-efficient
"Announced" 2 years ago, jackass.
"Daimler claims certain Federal regulations prevent putting the truck into
production as is." Which probably means the emissions are incredibly dirty.
Yes, 20 years asshole!
The 'supertruck' link above states "12-MPG Semi Is More Than Twice As
Fuel-Efficient", so we'll just assume that 6mpg is about average.
And you'll asuume based on what USED TO be the norm.
Typical.
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Post by BumbleBee
We've had units getting 8-10 mpg for at least that lomng, ya know nothing
alarmist!
https://www.edf.org/blog/2014/05/07/trucks-delivering-six-miles-gallon-wont-work-long-haul
"The average tractor-trailer can travel only six miles per gallon of diesel."
A lie.
https://itstillruns.com/fuel-mileage-information-semi-trucks-5844120.html
the average tractor trailer fuel mileage of between 7 to 8 miles per gallon
(MPG) may not seem impressive, it's a vast improvement over older designs that
rarely saw better than 2 to 3 MPG.
Lol, so all the way up to 7 or 8! What happened to 12mpg, lol!
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a4173/news-peterbilt-cummins-tractor-trailer-fuel-economy/
Why a 10 MPG Peterbilt semi is a really big deal
A 54% fuel savings is no small thing.
Go buy you one right now, lol! Except they aren't for sale. Still would cost
way more than juice for an EV.
Nope.
https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_charging_home.html
"If electricity costs
Nope, your personal scribbles and un-researched speculation is REJECTED!
All you've got is a big fat yap. What do you think the average price of retail
electricity is in the USA, dumbass? At my residence I pay $0.08/kWh.
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And NO one, save for a MORON, compares the cost of one cab to another based
upon fuel cost alone.
You know ZERO about long haul trucking, shit for brains!
You can flap
I'm right - period.
End of story.
No amount of brainless yapping makes anything you say correct.
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It costs around $40
just in fuel to go 100 miles. Figure on well under $10 for an EV.
Figure on being a laughing stock as long as you keep posting your chicken
little screeds, ya dumb asshole!
All you've got is a big fat nasty yap.
You made a ludicrous pinata out of yourself, I mean you REALLY did it this
time, ya n--nothing MORON!
All that shrieking making you feel better? "No electric vehicle will replace
a ... long haul diesel". I've shown that it is not only feasible but cheaper
even with the technology of today!
Not for long haul trucking you have not.
You fucking pissant.
I'll take that as total capitulation.
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That charge will not happen in a mere hour.
And you know this how?
Uh... PHYSICS, dumbass.

Since YOU know everything there is to know about 14 ton batteries, please,
show us EXACTLY how long it "will" take to charge.

Cite it AND explain it, in your OWN words, Mr. Know-it-all.

You can start at the low end, if you want... how long will it take to
charge a long-haul (at LEAST 600 MILES) trucks' battery. No REAL trucker
is going to want anything LESS than that mileage, so it's 600 miles or
more.
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In the worst case they will simply swap in fresh batteries every few hundred
miles.
Yeah?
I wonder what that'll cost...
It will probably cost a little more than the electricity it took
to charge them.
Bullshit!
It's a whole new pack = manufacturing, warehousing, transport, &
recharging costs!
LOSER!
It is just a recharged battery pack, dimwit. Came from some previous truck
an hour or two ago.
It is, by any measure, a SEPARATE battery pack with its own
manufacturing costs, period.
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Or you could just hang out at the truck stop for
an hour while your batteries charge, your choice.
That charge will not happen in a mere hour.
And you know this how?
I understand 240 vs. DC charging.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098401_electric-car-charging-the-basics-you-need-to-know

DC fast charging: Sometimes incorrectly called "Level 3" charging, DC
fast charging uses direct current (DC) rather than household alternating
current (AC) and is very high-powered.

This means that only public sites dedicated to DC charging, often along
highways, are practical—given the higher cost of the utility having to
install dedicated high-power lines.
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Did you know that diesel semi's get about 6mpg?
Wrong, dipshit!
Your numbers are 20 years out of date.
Lol, 20 years?
Post by BumbleBee
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097471_daimler-unveils-supertruck-12-mpg-semi-is-more-than-twice-as-fuel-efficient
"Announced" 2 years ago, jackass.
"Daimler claims certain Federal regulations prevent putting the truck into
production as is." Which probably means the emissions are
incredibly dirty.
Yes, 20 years asshole!
The 'supertruck' link above states "12-MPG Semi Is More Than Twice As
Fuel-Efficient", so we'll just assume that 6mpg is about average.
And you'll asuume based on what USED TO be the norm.
Typical.
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
We've had units getting 8-10 mpg for at least that lomng, ya know
nothing alarmist!
https://www.edf.org/blog/2014/05/07/trucks-delivering-six-miles-gallon-wont-work-long-haul
"The average tractor-trailer can travel only six miles per gallon of diesel."
A lie.
https://itstillruns.com/fuel-mileage-information-semi-trucks-5844120.html
the average tractor trailer fuel mileage of between 7 to 8 miles per
gallon (MPG) may not seem impressive, it's a vast improvement over
older designs that rarely saw better than 2 to 3 MPG.
Lol, so all the way up to 7 or 8! What happened to 12mpg, lol!
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a4173/news-peterbilt-cummins-tractor-trailer-fuel-economy/
Why a 10 MPG Peterbilt semi is a really big deal
A 54% fuel savings is no small thing.
Go buy you one right now, lol! Except they aren't for sale. Still would cost
way more than juice for an EV.
Nope.
https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_charging_home.html
"If electricity costs
Nope, your personal scribbles and un-researched speculation is REJECTED!
All you've got is a big fat yap.
No citation!
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crickets<
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And NO one, save for a MORON, compares the cost of one cab to
another based upon fuel cost alone.
You know ZERO about long haul trucking, shit for brains!
You can flap
I'm right - period.
End of story.
No amount of brainless yapping
No citation!
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crickets<
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It costs around $40
just in fuel to go 100 miles. Figure on well under $10 for an EV.
Figure on being a laughing stock as long as you keep posting your
chicken little screeds, ya dumb asshole!
All you've got is a big fat nasty yap.
You made a ludicrous pinata out of yourself, I mean you REALLY did
it this time, ya n--nothing MORON!
All that shrieking making you feel better? "No electric vehicle will replace
a ... long haul diesel". I've shown that it is not only feasible but cheaper
even with the technology of today!
Not for long haul trucking you have not.
You fucking pissant.
I'll take that as total capitulation.
You'd have a cpaitulated lower jaw if I had you in reach, asshole.
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In the worst case they will simply swap in fresh batteries every few hundred
miles.
Yeah?
I wonder what that'll cost...
It will probably cost a little more than the electricity it took
to charge them.
Bullshit!
It's a whole new pack = manufacturing, warehousing, transport, & recharging
costs!
LOSER!
It is just a recharged battery pack, dimwit. Came from some previous truck
an hour or two ago.
It is, by any measure, a SEPARATE battery pack with its own manufacturing
costs, period.
So what? If you don't want to wait an hour you can pay someone for the
quick turnaround.
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Post by Unum
Or you could just hang out at the truck stop for
an hour while your batteries charge, your choice.
That charge will not happen in a mere hour.
And you know this how?
I understand 240 vs. DC charging.
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098401_electric-car-charging-the-basics-you-need-to-know
DC fast charging: Sometimes incorrectly called "Level 3" charging, DC fast
charging uses direct current (DC) rather than household alternating current
(AC) and is very high-powered.
This means that only public sites dedicated to DC charging, often along
highways, are practical—given the higher cost of the utility having to install
dedicated high-power lines.
Yeah, the truck would charge up at a fast charging station alongside the
highway. Probably at a truck stop. So what.
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Did you know that diesel semi's get about 6mpg?
Wrong, dipshit!
Your numbers are 20 years out of date.
Lol, 20 years?
Post by BumbleBee
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097471_daimler-unveils-supertruck-12-mpg-semi-is-more-than-twice-as-fuel-efficient
"Announced" 2 years ago, jackass.
"Daimler claims certain Federal regulations prevent putting the truck into
production as is." Which probably means the emissions are incredibly dirty.
Yes, 20 years asshole!
The 'supertruck' link above states "12-MPG Semi Is More Than Twice As
Fuel-Efficient", so we'll just assume that 6mpg is about average.
And you'll asuume based on what USED TO be the norm.
Typical.
Post by Unum
Post by BumbleBee
We've had units getting 8-10 mpg for at least that lomng, ya know nothing
alarmist!
https://www.edf.org/blog/2014/05/07/trucks-delivering-six-miles-gallon-wont-work-long-haul
"The average tractor-trailer can travel only six miles per gallon of diesel."
A lie.
https://itstillruns.com/fuel-mileage-information-semi-trucks-5844120.html
the average tractor trailer fuel mileage of between 7 to 8 miles per gallon
(MPG) may not seem impressive, it's a vast improvement over older designs
that rarely saw better than 2 to 3 MPG.
Lol, so all the way up to 7 or 8! What happened to 12mpg, lol!
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a4173/news-peterbilt-cummins-tractor-trailer-fuel-economy/
Why a 10 MPG Peterbilt semi is a really big deal
A 54% fuel savings is no small thing.
Go buy you one right now, lol! Except they aren't for sale. Still would cost
way more than juice for an EV.
Nope.
https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_charging_home.html
"If electricity costs
Nope, your personal scribbles and un-researched speculation is REJECTED!
All you've got is a big fat yap.
No citation!
Post by Unum
crickets<
The sniveling little coward keeps snipping out my responses, lol. What do
you think the average price of retail electricity is in the USA, dumbass? At
my residence I pay $0.08/kWh.
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And NO one, save for a MORON, compares the cost of one cab to another
based upon fuel cost alone.
You know ZERO about long haul trucking, shit for brains!
You can flap
I'm right - period.
End of story.
No amount of brainless yapping
No citation!
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crickets<
You haven't cited a damn thing, you sad little yapper, but let's bet
real money. What's your bet that the average price of retail electricity
in the USA is over 11 cents/kWh?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/183700/us-average-retail-electricity-price-since-1990/
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It costs around $40
just in fuel to go 100 miles. Figure on well under $10 for an EV.
Figure on being a laughing stock as long as you keep posting your
chicken little screeds, ya dumb asshole!
All you've got is a big fat nasty yap.
You made a ludicrous pinata out of yourself, I mean you REALLY did it
this time, ya n--nothing MORON!
All that shrieking making you feel better? "No electric vehicle will replace
a ... long haul diesel". I've shown that it is not only feasible but cheaper
even with the technology of today!
Not for long haul trucking you have not.
You fucking pissant.
I'll take that as total capitulation.
You'd have a cpaitulated lower jaw if I had you in reach, asshole.
Get all mad and start threatening personal violence when you lose an
argument, don't you.
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At
my residence I pay $0.08/kWh.
Annnnd you think it's going to be the EXACT same price at a "quick-
charging" station?

Nope.

You're a fucking moron.

Will YOU pay for the infrastructure? No... mommy will. Does the PUBLIC
have to pay for these charging stations? Or is the cost of charging going
to be solely on the "users"? I'd REALLY like that cited, please.

So... in addition to paying taxes on gasoline, which can be raised at ANY
time, are we going to pay MORE in taxes to build and maintain electric
charging stations?

Seems fair, even though the VAST majority of people will NOT have electric
vehicles. Until the year 2525.

I'll ask again... does the PUBLIC have to pay for these charging stations,
or is the cost of charging going to be solely on the "users"?

How much will a "quick charge" of a 14 ton battery cost? How about a
"regular" charge, that the drivers can get while they sleep it off in the
cab, for up to 10 hours?

Me thinks that this is NOT going to be very much cheaper, if at all, than
diesel power, when you add everything up.

Switching gears, puns intended...

For cars: "The average cost of electricity in the US
is 12 cents per kWh. (NOT .08) Therefore, the average
person driving the average EV 15,000 miles per year
pays about $540.00 per year to charge it." - pluginamerica.org

Yes, electricity is 3 times as cheap, per year, but the INITIAL price of
the car, which is typically 3 times as much as well, IS a mitigating
factor.

Do you pay $100,000 (Tesla Model S) for an electric vs. $35,000 (Nissan
Maxima 3.5 SV), then save the $1000 a year for 10 years? Sounds good,
but...

And don't even TRY to compare tiny little EV cars (Volt, Prius, etc.), to
nice roomy cars that people actually LIKE to own and drive. If I'm going
to have to drive a Volt, I might as well look for a Yugo!

Apples and apples.

https://imgur.com/a/eCc9J

Gas car: 15,00 miles / 25mpg-avg x $2.50 per/gal = $1500/yr.

Tesla:
$100,000 + ($540.00 x 10yrs. which = $5400.00) = $154,000

Nissan:
$35,000 + ($1500 x 10yrs. which = $15,000) = $45,000

I'm buying the Nissan.

Even at $50 a week for gas, that's still only $61,000 vs. $154,000.

I'm buying the Nissan.

Now... will paying for the kWhs be the ONLY charge, or will there be taxes
and other kinds of add-ons included?
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In the worst case they will simply swap in fresh batteries
every few hundred
miles.
Yeah?
I wonder what that'll cost...
It will probably cost a little more than the electricity it took
to charge them.
Bullshit!
It's a whole new pack = manufacturing, warehousing, transport, &
recharging costs!
LOSER!
It is just a recharged battery pack, dimwit. Came from some previous truck
an hour or two ago.
It is, by any measure, a SEPARATE battery pack with its own
manufacturing costs, period.
So what?
So it is a sunk cost!
Post by Unum
If you don't want to wait an hour you can pay someone for the
quick turnaround.
1.) It'll take somewhat more than an hour.

2.) "paying" someone is a pass through cost.

3.) Long haul trucking and batteries =/compatible.
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Or you could just hang out at the truck stop for
an hour while your batteries charge, your choice.
That charge will not happen in a mere hour.
And you know this how?
I understand 240 vs. DC charging.
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098401_electric-car-charging-the-basics-you-need-to-know
DC fast charging: Sometimes incorrectly called "Level 3" charging, DC
fast charging uses direct current (DC) rather than household
alternating current (AC) and is very high-powered.
This means that only public sites dedicated to DC charging, often
along highways, are practical—given the higher cost of the utility
having to install dedicated high-power lines.
Yeah, the truck would charge up at a fast charging station alongside the
highway. Probably at a truck stop. So what.
None there.

Big upfront costs nationwide.

Ever seen how sparse (capacity and total stations) Tesla's charging
station network is?
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Did you know that diesel semi's get about 6mpg?
Wrong, dipshit!
Your numbers are 20 years out of date.
Lol, 20 years?
Post by BumbleBee
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097471_daimler-unveils-supertruck-12-mpg-semi-is-more-than-twice-as-fuel-efficient
"Announced" 2 years ago, jackass.
"Daimler claims certain Federal regulations prevent putting the truck into
production as is." Which probably means the emissions are incredibly dirty.
Yes, 20 years asshole!
The 'supertruck' link above states "12-MPG Semi Is More Than Twice As
Fuel-Efficient", so we'll just assume that 6mpg is about average.
And you'll asuume based on what USED TO be the norm.
Typical.
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Post by BumbleBee
We've had units getting 8-10 mpg for at least that lomng, ya know
nothing alarmist!
https://www.edf.org/blog/2014/05/07/trucks-delivering-six-miles-gallon-wont-work-long-haul
"The average tractor-trailer can travel only six miles per gallon of diesel."
A lie.
https://itstillruns.com/fuel-mileage-information-semi-trucks-5844120.html
the average tractor trailer fuel mileage of between 7 to 8 miles per
gallon (MPG) may not seem impressive, it's a vast improvement over
older designs that rarely saw better than 2 to 3 MPG.
Lol, so all the way up to 7 or 8! What happened to 12mpg, lol!
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a4173/news-peterbilt-cummins-tractor-trailer-fuel-economy/
Why a 10 MPG Peterbilt semi is a really big deal
A 54% fuel savings is no small thing.
Go buy you one right now, lol! Except they aren't for sale. Still would cost
way more than juice for an EV.
Nope.
https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_charging_home.html
"If electricity costs
Nope, your personal scribbles and un-researched speculation is REJECTED!
All you've got is a big fat yap.
No citation!
 >crickets<
The sniveling
No citation!
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crickets<
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And NO one, save for a MORON, compares the cost of one cab to
another based upon fuel cost alone.
You know ZERO about long haul trucking, shit for brains!
You can flap
I'm right - period.
End of story.
No amount of brainless yapping
No citation!
 >crickets<
You haven't cited
No citation!
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crickets<
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It costs around $40
just in fuel to go 100 miles. Figure on well under $10 for an EV.
Figure on being a laughing stock as long as you keep posting
your chicken little screeds, ya dumb asshole!
All you've got is a big fat nasty yap.
You made a ludicrous pinata out of yourself, I mean you REALLY did
it this time, ya n--nothing MORON!
All that shrieking making you feel better? "No electric vehicle will replace
a ... long haul diesel". I've shown that it is not only feasible but cheaper
even with the technology of today!
Not for long haul trucking you have not.
You fucking pissant.
I'll take that as total capitulation.
You'd have a cpaitulated lower jaw if I had you in reach, asshole.
Get all mad and start threatening personal violence when you lose an
argument, don't you.
No loss possible, you moron.

You know nothing about long haul trucking.

But I'll be happy to thump check yer head!
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You fucking pissant.
I'll take that as total capitulation.
You'd have a cpaitulated lower jaw if I had you in reach, asshole.
Get all mad and start threatening personal violence when you lose an
argument, don't you.
No loss possible, you moron.
You know nothing about long haul trucking.
But I'll be happy to thump check yer head!
I'll take that as total capitulation, lol.
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You fucking pissant.
I'll take that as total capitulation.
You'd have a cpaitulated lower jaw if I had you in reach, asshole.
Get all mad and start threatening personal violence when you lose an
argument, don't you.
No loss possible, you moron.
You know nothing about long haul trucking.
But I'll be happy to thump check yer head!
I'll take that
Oh yes you really will, and maybe some lug nuts need tightening too!
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"If electricity costs $0.11 per kWh and the vehicle consumes 34 kWh to travel
If CNG isn't gonna do it, spendy battery trucks are going NOWHERE fast
in long haul trucking.


https://truckertotrucker.com/blog/will-your-truck-in-the-future-be-powered-by-natural-gas/

Will Your Truck in the Future Be Powered by Natural Gas?

Switching to Natural Gas

Is Gas In Our Future?

While electric vehicles get a lot of attention currently, there is
another alternative fuel that is among the most abundant and clean
burning available. Natural gas is considerably less costly than diesel
and expected to remain that way for the foreseeable future. It not only
creates near-zero emissions and thereby reduces air pollution, but
natural gas engines also create much less noise pollution by operating
significantly quieter than traditional diesel engines. For these reasons
and more, an ever increasing number of corporate fleets are making the
switch to natural gas.

Real savings

Even with oil prices dropping, the average price for diesel is $3.50 a
gallon. When your livelihood relies on a truck that averages somewhere
between 4 and 8 mpg, that is far from a bargain. Erik Neandross is the
CEO of Gladstein, Neandross & Associates (GNA). They are a leading
transportation & energy consulting firm. Neandross says natural gas
currently cost between $1.50 and $1.80 per diesel gallon equivalent
(DGE) delivered. That price includes all necessary taxes. The Federal
Highway Administration estimates that a single semi will average 45,000
miles each year. Long-haul operators average closer to 100,000 miles
each year. Savings of $1.50 to $2.00 per gallon can translate to
significant savings for fleets and individuals.

Some major hurdles

Fueling stations and qualified mechanics for natural-gas vehicles are
sparse and not yet sufficient to support distance trucking. Liquefied
natural gas (LNG) does not get as many miles per gallon as diesel.
Compressed natural gas (CNG) is even less efficient. That would require
trucks carry more fuel and create possible weight concerns. Drivers also
needs special training on how to fuel natural-gas trucks. These factors
prevent natural gas from being a practical substitute for diesel in the
near future.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1094087_why-arent-natural-gas-powered-long-haul-semi-trucks-selling-better

Despite the drawbacks, natural-gas truck sales are expected to increase
by 20 percent this year, to 10,480 units.

However, that's less than 4 percent of the 281,620 diesel trucks that
analysts project will be sold in North America this year.
Hillbilly Davis
2017-10-05 22:27:56 UTC
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You claimed there would never be such a thing. Something very close to it
is going to be demonstrated this month.
I claim it has no capacity, longevity, nor total grunt to replace a
diesel long haul truck.
Done.
It's never "done" with the low-self-esteemed nerds. They think they HAVE
to have the last word on everything because they can't stand to be bested
by ordinary Joes... well, ANYONE, really.

I forgive their nerdiness... they're basement boys who live with mommy,
and were terrorized by jocks their whole lives.

Pretend head crushers, they are.

https://vimeo.com/211559729
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2017-10-06 03:46:32 UTC
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You claimed there would never be such a thing. Something very close to it
is going to be demonstrated this month.
I claim it has no capacity, longevity, nor total grunt to replace a
diesel long haul truck.
Done.
It's never "done" with the low-self-esteemed nerds. They think they HAVE
to have the last word on everything because they can't stand to be bested
by ordinary Joes... well, ANYONE, really.
I forgive their nerdiness... they're basement boys who live with mommy,
and were terrorized by jocks their whole lives.
Pretend head crushers, they are.
https://vimeo.com/211559729
:-))

Good one.
BumbleBee
2017-10-06 16:25:14 UTC
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You claimed there would never be such a thing. Something very close to it
is going to be demonstrated this month.
I claim it has no capacity, longevity, nor total grunt to replace a
diesel long haul truck.
Done.
It's never "done" with the low-self-esteemed nerds. They think they HAVE
to have the last word on everything because they can't stand to be bested
by ordinary Joes... well, ANYONE, really.
I forgive their nerdiness... they're basement boys who live with mommy,
and were terrorized by jocks their whole lives.
Pretend head crushers, they are.
https://vimeo.com/211559729
 :-))
Good one.
forgery.
Bob F
2017-10-05 05:21:16 UTC
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Tesla is smoke & mirrors.
I've ridden in a friends Tesla twice. Damned nice smoke and mirrors.
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2017-10-05 15:07:15 UTC
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Tesla is smoke & mirrors.
I've ridden in a friends Tesla twice. Damned nice smoke and mirrors.
For a SHORT RANGE car.

A diesel truck replacement?

Nope.
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