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Radical idea on carbon taxes
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M.I.Wakefield
2018-04-05 13:29:46 UTC
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http://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-its-simple-really-raise-carbon-taxes-and-cut-income-taxes

Won't happen ... makes too much sense
Roy
2018-04-05 14:15:54 UTC
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http://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-its-simple-really-raise-carbon-taxes-and-cut-income-taxes
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A carbon tax of ANY KIND is absolutely an idiotic concept in SOCIAL CONTROL.
It is an unfair tax and should never be implemented by any government.
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M.I.Wakefield
2018-04-05 14:55:02 UTC
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Won't happen ... makes too much sense
A carbon tax of ANY KIND is absolutely an idiotic concept in SOCIAL CONTROL.
It is an unfair tax and should never be implemented by any government.
If the government has decided that pumping carbon into the atmosphere is a
bad thing, it should actually behave as if it believed that, instead of
messing around with taxes that irritate people, but accomplish little else.
Eric®
2018-04-06 02:35:40 UTC
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http://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-its-simple-really-raise-carbon-taxes-and-cut-income-taxes
Won't happen ... makes too much sense
A carbon tax of ANY KIND is absolutely an idiotic concept in SOCIAL CONTROL.
It is an unfair tax and should never be implemented by any government.
If the government has decided that pumping carbon into the atmosphere is a
bad thing, it should actually behave as if it believed that, instead of
messing around with taxes that irritate people, but accomplish little else.
They should ban SUV's.
M.I.Wakefield
2018-04-06 02:45:43 UTC
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If the government has decided that pumping carbon into the atmosphere is
a bad thing, it should actually behave as if it believed that, instead
of messing around with taxes that irritate people, but accomplish little
else.
They should ban SUV's.
We're getting about 35 mpg in a small SUV (8 l / 100 km) ... that about 25%
better than the vehicle we traded in.
Gil
2018-04-06 14:50:16 UTC
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If the government has decided that pumping carbon into the
atmosphere is > a bad thing, it should actually behave as if it
believed that, instead > of messing around with taxes that irritate
people, but accomplish little > else.
They should ban SUV's.
We're getting about 35 mpg in a small SUV (8 l / 100 km) ... that about
25% better than the vehicle we traded in.
Just curious - would that be US gallons or Imperial gallons? The reason
I asked is that last year I traded in my pickup truck for a hybrid car
(Malibu) and the mileage ranges between 45 to 51 mpg (US). Even during
the coldest part of the winter it was still well above 40 mpg.
M.I.Wakefield
2018-04-06 14:57:11 UTC
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We're getting about 35 mpg in a small SUV (8 l / 100 km) ... that about
25% better than the vehicle we traded in.
Just curious - would that be US gallons or Imperial gallons?
Imperial ... I put the "litres / 100 km" figure in to avoid confusion ...
our previous car was 10 years old, and you could see the decline in fuel
efficiency as (in the words of Top Gear) many horsepower had escaped.
Post by Gil
The reason I asked is that last year I traded in my pickup truck for a
hybrid car (Malibu) and the mileage ranges between 45 to 51 mpg (US). Even
during the coldest part of the winter it was still well above 40 mpg.
We don't drive enough to justify the extra cost of a hybrid ... the payback
point would be long past the life-expectancy of the vehicle.
Dhu on Gate
2018-04-05 14:55:53 UTC
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http://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-its-simple-really-raise-carbon-taxes-and-cut-income-taxes
Won't happen ... makes too much sense
A carbon tax of ANY KIND is absolutely an idiotic concept in SOCIAL CONTROL.
It is an unfair tax and should never be implemented by any government.
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We should be implementing a CO2 tax on the _burning_ of carbon.
And it should be called that.

Dhu
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gordo
2018-04-05 16:51:33 UTC
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http://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-its-simple-really-raise-carbon-taxes-and-cut-income-taxes
Won't happen ... makes too much sense
A carbon tax of ANY KIND is absolutely an idiotic concept in SOCIAL CONTROL.
It is an unfair tax and should never be implemented by any government.
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It has been successful in BC for a decade and reduced burning of
fossil fuels. People see how it works and are happy with it. The oil
producers endorse it as well.

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M.I.Wakefield
2018-04-05 17:23:25 UTC
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It has been successful in BC for a decade and reduced burning of fossil
fuels. People see how it works and are happy with it. The oil producers
endorse it as well.
It's not working in Ontario ... not big enough to change behaviour, and seen
as just another cash grab that pisses people off.
Dhu on Gate
2018-04-05 20:41:08 UTC
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It has been successful in BC for a decade and reduced burning of fossil
fuels. People see how it works and are happy with it. The oil producers
endorse it as well.
It's not working in Ontario ... not big enough to change behaviour, and seen
as just another cash grab that pisses people off.
Another GST, with it's attendant bureaucracy.

Dhu
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gordo
2018-04-06 00:57:29 UTC
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 20:41:08 -0000 (UTC), Dhu on Gate
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
It has been successful in BC for a decade and reduced burning of fossil
fuels. People see how it works and are happy with it. The oil producers
endorse it as well.
It's not working in Ontario ... not big enough to change behaviour, and seen
as just another cash grab that pisses people off.
Another GST, with it's attendant bureaucracy.
Dhu
No it is a way to cut co2 in the atmosphere . It is also a
conservative wedge talking point across Alberta,Ontario and across
Canada. Vote for us and we will destroy the carbon tax and as Harper
did ,silence scientists.

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M.I.Wakefield
2018-04-06 01:25:43 UTC
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No it is a way to cut co2 in the atmosphere . It is also a conservative
wedge talking point across Alberta,Ontario and across Canada.
In theory ... in practice, the tax is too small to change anyone's
behaviour, and is seen, at least in Ontario, as nothing but a cash grab by a
profligate government that is bleeding red ink.

If (hopefully "when") the Liberals lose in Ontario, and the carbon tax goes
away, environmentalists will have no one to blame but the Liberals who
fucked it up and made it so unpopular.
Nobody
2018-04-06 17:03:02 UTC
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No it is a way to cut co2 in the atmosphere . It is also a
conservative wedge talking point across Alberta,Ontario and
across Canada.
In theory ... in practice, the tax is too small to change anyone's
behaviour, and is seen, at least in Ontario, as nothing but a cash
grab by a profligate government that is bleeding red ink.
Exactly. If the tax isn't high enough to get people to cut back, it
does NOTHING to reduce carbon. The stupidity of the tax is it is on
Natural gas. How are people in the cold areas of Canada supposed to
cut back on that?
Post by M.I.Wakefield
If (hopefully "when") the Liberals lose in Ontario, and the carbon
tax goes away, environmentalists will have no one to blame but the
Liberals who fucked it up and made it so unpopular.
Eric®
2018-04-06 02:35:00 UTC
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http://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-its-simple-really-raise-carbon-taxes-and-cut-income-taxes
Won't happen ... makes too much sense
A carbon tax of ANY KIND is absolutely an idiotic concept in SOCIAL CONTROL.
It is an unfair tax and should never be implemented by any government.
====
It has been successful in BC for a decade and reduced burning of
fossil fuels. People see how it works and are happy with it. The oil
producers endorse it as well.
There were some indications that it *was* successful, in some areas, but no
real proof. Forcing schools and hospitals to pay carbon taxes on the fossil
fuels they burn accomplishes what? It cuts amounts available for healthcare,
textbooks, school lunches etc.
Eric®
2018-04-06 02:30:49 UTC
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http://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-its-simple-really-raise-carbon-taxes-and-cut-income-taxes
Won't happen ... makes too much sense
This is asking politicians to support a plan that would be aimed at gradually
decreasing their tax revenue...
Liberals are VERMIN!
2018-04-06 07:31:30 UTC
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Eliminate carbon tax and jail those involved in their implementation. Man-made global warming is a fraud theory invented by die-hard socialists to keep the concept of world-wide communism going.
Roy
2018-04-06 15:03:28 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-its-simple-really-raise-carbon-taxes-and-cut-income-taxes
Won't happen ... makes too much sense
Eliminate carbon tax and jail those involved in their implementation. Man-made global warming is a fraud theory invented by die-hard socialists to keep the concept of world-wide communism going.
Leave off the socialist bullshit and I could agree with you.
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