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What Trudeau just doesn't get
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Liberals are VERMIN!
2018-06-10 23:56:48 UTC
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It's economics, jobs. Not "gender equality" not "global warming." Ultimately NONE of the other issues can even be addressed if economics doesn't come first. The proof of U.S. being on the short-end of the trade stick for decades (thanks to globalist sell-out Bill Clinton) is the trade deficit they have, it's massive.

P.S.; the U.S. does not OWE any country an existence.
TomP
2018-06-11 01:18:08 UTC
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Post by Liberals are VERMIN!
It's economics, jobs. Not "gender equality" not "global warming." Ultimately NONE of the other issues can even be addressed if economics doesn't come first. The proof of U.S. being on the short-end of the trade stick for decades (thanks to globalist sell-out Bill Clinton) is the trade deficit they have, it's massive.
P.S.; the U.S. does not OWE any country an existence.
Canada has a trade deficit with the US.

"The U.S. goods trade deficit with Canada was $12.1 billion in 2016"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-us-canada-trade-deficit-numbers-1.4524824

Do you expect our prime minister to bow to this bully or do you expect
him to stand up for Canadians?
M.I.Wakefield
2018-06-11 02:11:27 UTC
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Canada has a trade deficit with the US.
"The U.S. goods trade deficit with Canada was $12.1 billion in 2016"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-us-canada-trade-deficit-numbers-1.4524824
Do you expect our prime minister to bow to this bully or do you expect him
to stand up for Canadians?
About the only people not criticizing Trump are the spineless Republicans in
Congress.
Liberals are VERMIN!
2018-06-11 02:31:25 UTC
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It's economics, jobs. Not "gender equality" not "global warming." Ultimately NONE of the other issues can even be addressed if economics doesn't come first. The proof of U.S. being on the short-end of the trade stick for decades (thanks to globalist sell-out Bill Clinton) is the trade deficit they have, it's massive.
P.S.; the U.S. does not OWE any country an existence.
Canada has a trade deficit with the US.
"The U.S. goods trade deficit with Canada was $12.1 billion in 2016"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-us-canada-trade-deficit-numbers-1.4524824
Do you expect our prime minister to bow to this bully or do you expect
him to stand up for Canadians?
Canada is realizing that addressing the trade imbalance will require the dismantling of socialist "pets" like the wheat and milk boards which have resulted in Canadians paying 2-3 TIMES as much for staples as Americans, for 50 years.
b***@gmail.com
2018-06-11 02:52:11 UTC
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Canada is realizing that addressing the trade imbalance will require the dismantling of socialist "pets" like the wheat and milk boards which have resulted in Canadians paying 2-3 TIMES as much for staples as Americans, for 50 years.
I guess we could do that . . . but then what should we demand from the United States for their subsidies to very, very profitable industries that want to continue exporting us their foods and goods?

Like this:

https://www.thebalance.com/government-subsidies-definition-farm-oil-export-etc-3305788

Between 1995 and 2010, farm subsidies had ballooned to $52 billion a year on average. Of this, more than 6 percent went toward four "junk food" components: corn syrup, high-fructose corn syrup, corn starch and soy oils. Many people wondered why the federal government was subsidizing food that contributed to America's obesity problem.

During the recession, as lawmakers looked for ways to cut the budget, many asked, "Do corn growers need subsidies?" In 2011, a record 14 billion bushels of corn were produced. In 2012, 94 million acres of corn were scheduled to be planted. This was more than in any year since World War II.

By 2017, large farms dominated the industry. Farms generating $1 million or more in sales produced two-thirds of the nation's agricultural output. Only 4 percent of farms were that large. Big farms gobbled up small ones that couldn't compete. They relied on economies of scale to produce more food at a cheaper price. That sent prices down even more, putting more small farmers out of business.

The 2012 budget proposed a 22 percent cut to farm subsidies, including the $5 billion direct payment program. Half of farmers receiving subsidies made more than $100,000 a year. Between 1995 and 2016, the top 10 percent of farmers received 77 percent of subsidies.

The top 1 percent received 26 percent, or $1.7 million per recipient. The top recipient was Deline Farms Partnership, which received $4 million in 2016.

The House budget also proposed $180 billion in cuts to the farm subsidy program. But $133 billion of the cuts were to the food stamp program, affecting 8 million consumers, not farmers.


In March 2012, President Obama called for an end to the $4 billion in oil industry subsidies. Some estimates indated that the real level of oil industry subsidies is higher, between $10 and $40 billion. At the same time, oil company profits benefited when oil prices reached a record of $145 a barrel in 2008.

The oil industry subsidies have a long history in the United States. As early as World War I, the government stimulated oil and gas production in order to ensure a domestic supply.

In 1995, Congress established the Deepwater Royalty Waiver Program. It allowed oil companies to drill on federal property without paying royalties. This encouraged the expensive form of extraction since oil was only $18 a barrel.

The Treasury Department reported that the federal government has missed $50 billion in foregone revenue over the program's lifetime. It argued that this may no longer be needed now that deepwater extraction has become profitable.

(Source: "Federal Energy Subsidies," Energy Information Administration. “Oil Companies Have a Rich History of U.S. Subsidies,” Los Angeles Times, May 25, 2010.)
M.I.Wakefield
2018-06-11 02:57:04 UTC
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Canada is realizing that addressing the trade imbalance will require the
dismantling of socialist "pets" like the wheat and milk boards which have
resulted in Canadians paying 2-3 TIMES as much for staples as Americans,
for 50 years.
"The U.S. goods and services TRADE SURPLUS with Canada was $8.4 billion in
2017." —Office of the United States Trade Representative, Executive Office
of the President.
Dave Smith
2018-06-11 13:38:43 UTC
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Do you expect our prime minister to bow to this bully or do you expect
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Post by TomP
him to stand up for Canadians?
Canada is realizing that addressing the trade imbalance will require
the dismantling of socialist "pets" like the wheat and milk boards
which have resulted in Canadians paying 2-3 TIMES as much for staples
as Americans, for 50 years.
The wheat board is gone. Some farmers had pushed for that because they
were not allowed to sell their wheat elsewhere. They wanted to have
their cake and to eat it too. They didn't mind selling their wheat to
the board when it would take wheat no one else wanted and pay them up
front for it, but they wanted the option of selling it privately when
prices and demand were up. Now they are back to the old system where
the big processing companies can squeeze them, force them to take lower
prices or not to buy.
TomP
2018-06-11 18:27:09 UTC
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Do you expect our prime minister to bow to this bully or do you expect
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Post by TomP
him to stand up for Canadians?
Canada is realizing that addressing the trade imbalance will require
the dismantling of socialist "pets" like the wheat and milk boards
which have resulted in Canadians paying 2-3 TIMES as much for staples
as Americans, for 50 years.
The wheat board is gone. Some farmers had pushed for that because they
were not allowed to sell their wheat elsewhere.  They wanted to have
their cake and to eat it too. They  didn't mind selling their wheat to
the board when it would take wheat no one else wanted and pay them up
front for it, but they wanted the option of selling it privately when
prices and demand were up. Now they are back to the old system where the
big processing companies can squeeze them, force them to take lower
prices or not to buy.
Farmers in Saskatchewan and Manitoba feel that as of 2016, they had lost
$6.5 billion under the new system vs using the Wheat Board.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/sask-farmers-return-canadian-wheat-board-1.3448604
gordo
2018-06-12 17:33:56 UTC
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Do you expect our prime minister to bow to this bully or do you expect
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Post by TomP
him to stand up for Canadians?
Canada is realizing that addressing the trade imbalance will require
the dismantling of socialist "pets" like the wheat and milk boards
which have resulted in Canadians paying 2-3 TIMES as much for staples
as Americans, for 50 years.
The wheat board is gone. Some farmers had pushed for that because they
were not allowed to sell their wheat elsewhere.  They wanted to have
their cake and to eat it too. They  didn't mind selling their wheat to
the board when it would take wheat no one else wanted and pay them up
front for it, but they wanted the option of selling it privately when
prices and demand were up. Now they are back to the old system where the
big processing companies can squeeze them, force them to take lower
prices or not to buy.
Farmers in Saskatchewan and Manitoba feel that as of 2016, they had lost
$6.5 billion under the new system vs using the Wheat Board.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/sask-farmers-return-canadian-wheat-board-1.3448604
Another example of why Harper was the worst PM in Canadian history.
The members of the wheat board voted to keep the wheat board but
Harper ignored them and sold the assets to a foreign dictatorship.

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Cafe Racer
2018-06-12 17:52:04 UTC
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Another example of why Harper was the worst PM in Canadian history.
The members of the wheat board voted to keep the wheat board but
Harper ignored them and sold the assets to a foreign dictatorship.
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10/10 :-)
Eric®
2018-06-14 02:45:48 UTC
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Post by gordo
Another example of why Harper was the worst PM in Canadian history.
The members of the wheat board voted to keep the wheat board but
Harper ignored them and sold the assets to a foreign dictatorship.
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10/10 :-)
Ontario grain farmers weren't subject to any wheat board. Did they all starve
to death?

Dave Smith
2018-06-12 21:59:36 UTC
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Post by TomP
Farmers in Saskatchewan and Manitoba feel that as of 2016, they had lost
$6.5 billion under the new system vs using the Wheat Board.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/sask-farmers-return-canadian-wheat-board-1.3448604
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
Post by gordo
Another example of why Harper was the worst PM in Canadian history.
The members of the wheat board voted to keep the wheat board but
Harper ignored them and sold the assets to a foreign dictatorship.
The members of the wheat board who would no longer be paid to sit on the
board? Well gee... I wonder why they would want to keep their jobs.


There was a lot of pressure from the farmers themselves to get rid of
the board. They wanted to be able to see their wheat wherever they
wanted. They wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted to be
able to sell their grain in the US when demand and prices were up, but
they also wanted to be able to sell it to the wheat board when prices
the market was flooded and no one was buying. The board was a good thing
for western farmers. It bought everything they delivered and paid up
front. They were like people driving uninsured cars who then expected
to be able to collect insurance after they crashed.
Eric®
2018-06-11 18:56:28 UTC
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Post by Liberals are VERMIN!
It's economics, jobs. Not "gender equality" not "global warming." Ultimately NONE of the other issues can even be addressed if economics doesn't come first. The proof of U.S. being on the short-end of the trade stick for decades (thanks to globalist sell-out Bill Clinton) is the trade deficit they have, it's massive.
P.S.; the U.S. does not OWE any country an existence.
Canada has a trade deficit with the US.
"The U.S. goods trade deficit with Canada was $12.1 billion in 2016"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-us-canada-trade-deficit-numbers-1.4524824
Do you expect our prime minister to bow to this bully or do you expect
him to stand up for Canadians?
Regardless of the overall behaviour of Trump and his odd economic advisor Larry
Kudlow, they do have a point: the Trudeau Liberals getting up there and
screaming about US aluminum tariffs is a bit ridiculous given the fact that
Canada does exactly the same thing.

"As the CBC reminded, 'Canada levies a tariff of 270 percent on milk, 245
percent on cheese and 298 percent on butter in an effort to keep U.S. and other
foreign dairy imports out.' These tariffs exist almost exclusively for the
benefit of the agriculture sector of Quebec, a province with a unique
stranglehold on Canadian politics."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/06/11/why-trudeau-
doesnt-have-the-high-ground-on-trade/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aa316c873a0d

or: https://is.gd/iXW04q

And of course aluminum tariffs will also disproportionately affect Quebec, as
the Canadian aluminum industry is centred there.
b***@gmail.com
2018-06-11 19:29:48 UTC
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Regardless of the overall behaviour of Trump and his odd economic advisor Larry
Kudlow, they do have a point: the Trudeau Liberals getting up there and
screaming about US aluminum tariffs is a bit ridiculous given the fact that
Canada does exactly the same thing.
Uh . . . those were imposed by Trudeau as *countermeasures* after Trump slapped the tariffs on Canadian aluminum - and steel.

A reminder for those who can't remember back to May 31 - of the past month:
http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-impose-similar-tariffs-us-may-2018
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And of course aluminum tariffs will also disproportionately affect Quebec, as
the Canadian aluminum industry is centred there.
All of the goods or foods that lose the U.S. as their market should immediately be lowered in price to Canadian consumers. And to *friendly* allies in Europe or Asia.

That "special place in hell" is almost fully booked for occupancy by Republicans and their Russian puppet masters. Canadians are still somewhat smarter than are Americans. We have Trudeau - they have Trump.
M.I.Wakefield
2018-06-11 19:46:10 UTC
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"As the CBC reminded, 'Canada levies a tariff of 270 percent on milk, 245
percent on cheese and 298 percent on butter in an effort to keep U.S. and
other foreign dairy imports out.' These tariffs exist almost exclusively
for the benefit of the agriculture sector of Quebec, a province with a
unique stranglehold on Canadian politics."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/06/11/why-trudeau-doesnt-have-the-high-ground-on-trade/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aa316c873a0d
or: https://is.gd/iXW04q
And of course aluminum tariffs will also disproportionately affect Quebec,
as the Canadian aluminum industry is centred there.
Our dairy industry would be largely washed away in a flood of surplus US
milk, that is subsidized by something around $20 billion a year, if we
didn't have duties.

Also, Trump has claimed that the steel and aluminum tariffs are about
national security, so why is he bringing up dairy?
Eric®
2018-06-11 20:05:42 UTC
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"As the CBC reminded, 'Canada levies a tariff of 270 percent on milk, 245
percent on cheese and 298 percent on butter in an effort to keep U.S. and
other foreign dairy imports out.' These tariffs exist almost exclusively
for the benefit of the agriculture sector of Quebec, a province with a
unique stranglehold on Canadian politics."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/06/11/why-trudeau-doesnt-have-the-high-ground-on-trade/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aa316c873a0d
or: https://is.gd/iXW04q
And of course aluminum tariffs will also disproportionately affect Quebec,
as the Canadian aluminum industry is centred there.
Our dairy industry would be largely washed away in a flood of surplus US
milk, that is subsidized by something around $20 billion a year, if we
didn't have duties.
Also, Trump has claimed that the steel and aluminum tariffs are about
national security, so why is he bringing up dairy?
Our dairy industry has pretty much washed away under protectionism. Canada had
about 31,000 dairy farms in 1992 and just over 13,000 by 2009. Before
introduction of supply management in the early 1970's Canada was a major
exporter of dairy. New Zealand exports about $10 billion per year in dairy
products without protectionism: why are Canadians so convinced they'll fail
internationally?

While BC dairy farmers, for example, can't get more production quota, BC'ers
are essentially forced to buy dairy products from Quebec. Expensive products.

Why should dairy be a sacred cow? Why not place similar protection on other
sectors?
Dhu on Gate
2018-06-11 08:03:44 UTC
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The proof of U.S. being on the short-end of the trade
stick for decades (thanks to globalist sell-out Bill Clinton) is the trade
deficit they have, it's massive.
You f*ks sold out US Industry to China and now you expect
Canada to pay for your trade deficit with the PRC?

HAHAHAHAHA.

Dhu (eat bullets. you've got a surplus of 'em)
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