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TomP
2017-12-04 15:45:19 UTC
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Trudeau is in China right now trying to set up a free trade agreement
with them. It is very difficult to set up a business in China because of
the corruption. The best we can do is to out source work to companies in
China to produce the goods for Canadian manufacturers. That is why there
is a huge trade imbalance. They need our food products to feed such a
large population but they are using this as a negotiating tactic. That
is taking the Canadian government for fools.
Also, a very familiar problem has risen up with the detention of
Canadians by the Chinese government. This was the problem that they
faced with Omar Khadr. If the Supreme Court heard Khadr's case they
would have ruled in Khadr's favor. The Supreme Court would have to rule
that the rights of Canadians are priority over foreign trade deals. It
is the duty of the Canadian government to protect the rights of
Canadians under the constitution while trade deals are not protected.
That means that trade deals with countries that are holding Canadians in
their jails, especially third world countries and dictatorships, cannot
torture them and they must provide them with a speedy and fair trial.
Without the Supreme Court ruling we will be hearing more cases where the
federal government ignores the plight of Canadians in a foreign prison
in favor of a trade deal.
That is an apology for future governments.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/detained-canadians-trudeau-trip-to-china-1.4429572


Canadians detained in commercial dispute looming over Trudeau trip to
China
Trade minister won't say whether Chang case will stall Canada's decision
to enter free trade talks

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau may want to focus on trade, tourism, and
business opportunities during his trip to China, but there is a pressing
problem threatening to knock him off his positive message.

He is facing growing pressure to resist entering free trade talks with
China until a commercial dispute involving detained Canadians is
resolved.

John Chang and his wife, Allison Lu, who own wineries in B.C. and
Ontario, have been trapped in a diplomatic nightmare since they were
arrested during a work trip to Shanghai in March of 2016.

The pair have been accused by Chinese authorities of smuggling after
allegedly under-reporting the value of wine they export to Asia.

Lu has been released from custody but is not allowed to leave Shanghai,
while her husband remains in a detention facility.

The couple's daughter, Amy Chang, said this is not a criminal matter and
is demanding Trudeau hold off on free trade talks until her parents are
sent back to Canada.

B.C. winery owners facing life in Chinese prison for alleged
smuggling

Trade, human rights on the agenda for Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau's China visit

"When you're trying to negotiate a free trade agreement, especially
between Canada and China, if you cannot protect your own citizens right
now... there are more cases that are just going to come up," Chang said
in an interview with CBC News.

The 24-year-old said the matter is urgent, since her father's health is
declining. She said her father has two tumours on his liver.

"Justin Trudeau, I really hope this time when you go to China, I really
hope you can bring my parents home for Christmas," Chang added.
Case raised at highest levels

Government officials would not confirm whether Trudeau plans to bring
the Chang case up during high-level meetings with Chinese President Xi
Jinping and Premier Li Keqiang.

But International Trade Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne told CBC
Radio's The House that Canadian officials raise the case "all the time."

"I made sure this was understood by our Chinese counterparts that this
is something that not only matters to me, but to the highest level of
the Canadian government. I will continue to press for that," Champagne
said.

While he would not say if the Chang and Lu case is a deal-breaker for
entering free trade talks, Champagne said Canada is committed to finding
a resolution.

"I would say, what Canadians expect of us is to raise consular cases
wherever they occur," Champagne told The House.

Carleton University professor Stephanie Carvin sees the dispute as a red
flag for Canadian officials.

"It is emblematic of the kinds of techniques that China might use in
order to retaliate against a ... decision that it didn't like," Carvin
said in an interview with CBC News.

In June 2017, before the case went into a closed-door trial, China's
ambassador to Canada told CTV News that the case shouldn't be
"politicized" and should be allowed to unfold in court.

Kevin Garratt thanks both Harper and Trudeau teams for his return to
Canada

Last year, shortly after Trudeau's first prime ministerial trip to
China, authorities there released another Canadian who had been held for
two years.

Kevin Garratt had been arrested in 2014 on suspicion of stealing state
secrets and spying.

Garratt and his family adamantly denied any wrongdoing, and both the
previous Conservative government and the Liberal government advocated on
Garratt's behalf at the highest levels.
Push to ramp up trade talks

Despite these concerns, Ottawa is being pressured to deepen ties with
Beijing, and quickly.

Canada's former ambassador to China, Guy Saint-Jacques, said conditions
are "ripe" to negotiate a trade deal, and predicts the complicated talks
could be completed in three years.

"If we don't go ahead, I think that China will feel, again, that we have
left them at the altar, waiting," Saint-Jacques said in an interview
with Radio-Canada.

Government sources tell CBC News that during the four rounds of
exploratory trade talks, Chinese officials made it abundantly clear they
want a free trade agreement with Canada.

Deal or no deal? Justin Trudeau heads to China with free trade
decision up in the air

Trudeau can always play Trump card on visit to China: Chris Hall

The sources said the Chinese are eager to access Canadian natural
resources, clean technologies, agriculture and e-commerce systems.

Canadian business leaders have called for talks to take place, in the
hopes of one day selling goods and services to China's growing middle
class of about 600 million people.

"They will turn to others... we are not the only game in town," Saint-
Jacques said.

Former Quebec premier Jean Charest agreed, saying Canada should
"aggressively" pursue an agreement.

Charest helped the former Conservative government launch free trade
talks with Europe, and has extensive business dealings in China.

"No one gets up in the morning and asks themselves 'why don't I do a
deal with Canada today?' It doesn't happen that way. We are the ones
that have to go out there and hustle for it," Charest said in an
interview.

"We are 36 million people with a high standard of living. If we don't
trade, we are not going to be able to maintain the lifestyle we have
here," he said.
John Milner
2017-12-04 15:53:14 UTC
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Trudeau can always play Trump card on visit to China
Nope, he's GUTLESS to the core!
Cafe Racer
2017-12-04 21:12:06 UTC
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I say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.

I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.

I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.

NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.
b***@gmail.com
2017-12-04 21:53:44 UTC
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I say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.
I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.
I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.
NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.
It's not their human rights record that should concern us. It's their insistence on that 'free trade' allowing them to circumvent, by-pass, & legally be exempt from the conditions our country and our provinces have put on the production of most of out products and cultivation of most of our foods.

We pay our elected government representatives to safeguard our Canadian interests, and the Chinese (and Americans) want those conditions not to exist for THEIR businesses in Canada. That involves environmental standards, water and air and soil contamination - and wages paid to their employees, which will be 99% Chinese imports, as shown in the past.

THOSE are the reasons we must not rush into any trade agreements with China.
How they treat their own on their own land is their own business. We would have enough problems protecting OUR interests from the Chinese in our own country.
Alan Baker
2017-12-04 22:13:59 UTC
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I say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.
I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading
with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic
decision' for Canada.
I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will
probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and
Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.
NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law,
independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.
It's not their human rights record that should concern us. It's
their insistence on that 'free trade' allowing them to circumvent,
by-pass, & legally be exempt from the conditions our country and our
provinces have put on the production of most of out products and
cultivation of most of our foods.
Cites, please.
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We pay our elected government representatives to safeguard our
Canadian interests, and the Chinese (and Americans) want those
conditions not to exist for THEIR businesses in Canada. That
involves environmental standards, water and air and soil
contamination - and wages paid to their employees, which will be 99%
Chinese imports, as shown in the past.
Cites, please.
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THOSE are the reasons we must not rush into any trade agreements with
China. How they treat their own on their own land is their own
business. We would have enough problems protecting OUR interests
from the Chinese in our own country.
b***@gmail.com
2017-12-04 22:30:48 UTC
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Cites, please.
Cites, please.
Still a lazy ass and still looking for more endless, juvenile exchanges on these groups, eh, Baker? No bloody wonder your girlfriend has chosen to remain more than 3,000 miles from her flame all these years. (^o^)
Alan Baker
2017-12-04 22:33:09 UTC
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Cites, please.
Cites, please.
Still a lazy ass and still looking for more endless, juvenile exchanges on these groups, eh, Baker? No bloody wonder your girlfriend has chosen to remain more than 3,000 miles from her flame all these years. (^o^)
Since you've carefully chosen to snip out your own content and instead
focus on a strawman, I think we all know that you can't actually support
a single one of the claims you made.

:-)
b***@gmail.com
2017-12-04 22:48:04 UTC
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Cites, please.
Cites, please.
Still a lazy ass and still looking for more endless, juvenile exchanges on these groups, eh, Baker? No bloody wonder your girlfriend has chosen to remain more than 3,000 miles from her flame all these years. (^o^)
Since you've carefully chosen to snip out your own content and instead
focus on a strawman, I think we all know that you can't actually support
a single one of the claims you made.
:-)
(*´ο`*)
Lauer's Sex Toy Wolrd
2017-12-04 22:53:23 UTC
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Cites, please.
Cites, please.
Still a lazy ass and still looking for more endless, juvenile
exchanges on these groups, eh, Baker?   No bloody wonder your
girlfriend has chosen to remain more than 3,000 miles from her flame
all these years.    (^o^)
Since you've carefully chosen to snip out your own content and instead
focus on a strawman, I think we all know that you can't actually support
a single one of the claims you made.
:-)
I think you need to be run through a commercial recycling shredder.
M.I.Wakefield
2017-12-04 23:14:16 UTC
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Since you've carefully chosen to snip out your own content and instead
focus on a strawman, I think we all know that you can't actually support a
single one of the claims you made.
Wouldn't be the first time ... from the Way Back Machine:

Karen's "fact": Benjamin Netanyahu threatened a "pre-emptive nuclear strike
whether the United States backs us or not".

Actual fact: Karen made up this quote out of whole cloth. And her response
to being busted on this lie was "Oh well".
Greg Carr
2017-12-05 00:49:16 UTC
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Since you've carefully chosen to snip out your own content and instead
focus on a strawman, I think we all know that you can't actually support a
single one of the claims you made.
Karen's "fact": Benjamin Netanyahu threatened a "pre-emptive nuclear strike
whether the United States backs us or not".
Actual fact: Karen made up this quote out of whole cloth. And her response
to being busted on this lie was "Oh well".
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She (Karen Eileen Gordon/KKK/KKKaren) also claimed there was no Lelu
Island in BC. Total fabrication.

She also claimed Jews were responsible for the majority of white
collar crime. Typical anti-semitic lie. I have already kill filed her.
Lauer's Sex Toy Wolrd
2017-12-04 22:52:32 UTC
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I say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.
I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading
with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic
decision' for Canada.
I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will
probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and
Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.
NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law,
independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.
It's not their human rights record that should concern us.  It's
their insistence on that 'free trade' allowing them to circumvent,
by-pass, & legally be exempt from the conditions our country and our
provinces have put on the production of most of out products and
cultivation of most of our foods.
Cites, please.
WTF are you sucking up to 'Jina', freakshow?
Post by Alan Baker
We pay our elected government representatives to safeguard our
Canadian interests, and the Chinese (and Americans) want those
conditions not to exist for THEIR businesses in Canada.  That
involves environmental standards, water and air and soil
contamination - and wages paid to their employees, which will be 99%
Chinese imports, as shown in the past.
Cites, please.
WTF are you sucking up to 'Jina', freakshow?
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THOSE are the reasons we must not rush into any trade agreements with
China. How they treat their own on their own land is their own
business.  We would have enough problems protecting OUR interests
from the Chinese in our own country.
TomP
2017-12-05 00:32:49 UTC
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I say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.
I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.
I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.
NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.
It's not their human rights record that should concern us. It's their insistence on that 'free trade' allowing them to circumvent, by-pass, & legally be exempt from the conditions our country and our provinces have put on the production of most of out products and cultivation of most of our foods.
We pay our elected government representatives to safeguard our Canadian interests, and the Chinese (and Americans) want those conditions not to exist for THEIR businesses in Canada. That involves environmental standards, water and air and soil contamination - and wages paid to their employees, which will be 99% Chinese imports, as shown in the past.
THOSE are the reasons we must not rush into any trade agreements with China.
How they treat their own on their own land is their own business. We would have enough problems protecting OUR interests from the Chinese in our own country.
EXACTLY!!!
Products should not be allowed in that do not meet our manufacturing
standards.
The point I was trying to make was that our government should not be
entering into trade agreements with countries that have Canadians in
jail and are not treated fairly. If someone is guilty of an offense in a
foreign country they are subject to the laws of that country but they
should also be entitled to humane treatment. That would include a speedy
trial, access to a lawyer, no torture and not to be imprisoned without
charge. Imprisoned Canadians should also not be denied access to
communication with their family and counselor officials.
The Canadian government represents all Canadians. The Canadian
Constitution outlines the rights and freedoms our government must ensure
to Canadians and that applies to Canadians abroad. The Constitution does
not guarantee free trade.
There are Canadians that are detained in countries like Saudi Arabia and
many Asian countries. We should not be putting trade deals ahead of the
well being of Canadians.
Trudeau has demonstrated that we do not pay kidnapping ransoms. We
should take the same hard line on Canadians imprisoned abroad.
Greg Carr
2017-12-05 01:04:44 UTC
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I say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.
I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.
I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.
NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.
It's not their human rights record that should concern us. It's their insistence on that 'free trade' allowing them to circumvent, by-pass, & legally be exempt from the conditions our country and our provinces have put on the production of most of out products and cultivation of most of our foods.
We pay our elected government representatives to safeguard our Canadian interests, and the Chinese (and Americans) want those conditions not to exist for THEIR businesses in Canada. That involves environmental standards, water and air and soil contamination - and wages paid to their employees, which will be 99% Chinese imports, as shown in the past.
THOSE are the reasons we must not rush into any trade agreements with China.
How they treat their own on their own land is their own business. We would have enough problems protecting OUR interests from the Chinese in our own country.
EXACTLY!!!
Products should not be allowed in that do not meet our manufacturing
standards.
The point I was trying to make was that our government should not be
entering into trade agreements with countries that have Canadians in
jail and are not treated fairly. If someone is guilty of an offense in a
foreign country they are subject to the laws of that country but they
should also be entitled to humane treatment. That would include a speedy
trial, access to a lawyer, no torture and not to be imprisoned without
charge. Imprisoned Canadians should also not be denied access to
communication with their family and counselor officials.
The Canadian government represents all Canadians. The Canadian
Constitution outlines the rights and freedoms our government must ensure
to Canadians and that applies to Canadians abroad. The Constitution does
not guarantee free trade.
There are Canadians that are detained in countries like Saudi Arabia and
many Asian countries. We should not be putting trade deals ahead of the
well being of Canadians.
Trudeau has demonstrated that we do not pay kidnapping ransoms. We
should take the same hard line on Canadians imprisoned abroad.
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You are agreeing with KKK there TomP so into the kill-filter you go.
John Milner
2017-12-05 01:36:17 UTC
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Products should not be allowed in that do not meet our manufacturing
standards.
Oh good grief!

Get a clue man.
John Milner
2017-12-04 22:48:28 UTC
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NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.
ROFLOL!

Well good luck with THAT!

Enjoy sourcing your finished goods and appliances...where...class,
Buehler, anyone?
Roy
2017-12-04 22:52:56 UTC
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I say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.
I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.
I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.
NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.
I totally agree. We don't need their junk we can make it right here.
John Milner
2017-12-04 23:26:04 UTC
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I say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.
I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.
I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.
NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.
I totally agree. We don't need their junk we can make it right here.
No you can't!
Eric®
2017-12-05 21:21:03 UTC
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I say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.
I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.
I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.
NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.
I totally agree. We don't need their junk we can make it right here.
And ends up in the landfill in a year or two.

Cafe Racer
2017-12-04 23:53:12 UTC
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I say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.
I came across several news stories and video clips about exploding watermelons. You can find them. I'm buying NO fruit (or is it a veg) that have been injected. The farmers who were sold the magic hormone are also upset.
John Milner
2017-12-04 23:56:19 UTC
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I say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.
I came across several news stories and video clips about exploding watermelons. You can find them. I'm buying NO fruit (or is it a veg) that have been injected. The farmers who were sold the magic hormone are also upset.
Here, have some melamine pet food...to go with your melamine sheet rock...
Greg Carr
2017-12-05 00:45:08 UTC
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I say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.
I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.
I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.
NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.
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Andrew Scheer of the Tories has already said they are against free
trade with China and I support that. A lot of my work $ comes from
unloading boxes from China but while I get $15 an hour the folks
loading it in China a probably getting squat and they can't form a
union or protest legally. NO FREE TRADE WITH CHINA. FREE VOTE ON TIBET
INDEPENDENCE.
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2017-12-04 21:45:15 UTC
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Trudeau can always play Trump card on visit to China
Nope, he's GUTLESS to the core!
Aw, shaddup already, Weaver . . . . If he was gutless, he wouldn't have brought up the detention of four Canadians by China and their civil rights.

Trudeau has a whole lot of faults, but being "gutless" ain't one of them.
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2017-12-04 22:51:06 UTC
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Trudeau can always play Trump card on visit to China
Nope, he's GUTLESS to the core!
Aw, shaddup already, Weaver . . . .
I ain't "Weaver".
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If he was gutless, he wouldn't have brought up the detention of four Canadians by China and their civil > rights.
Of course he would, note he DID nothing.
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Trudeau has a whole lot of faults, but being "gutless" ain't one of them.
Oh?

Like his famous boxing match?

Former "bouncer"?

Where - a day care center?

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
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2017-12-04 23:28:19 UTC
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Aw, shaddup already, Weaver . . . .
I ain't "Weaver".
Yeah, you are. Keith Weaver.
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If he was gutless, he wouldn't have brought up the detention of four Canadians by China and their civil > rights.
Of course he would, note he DID nothing.
He wouldn't trade off our environmental concerns and laws in exchange for their cheap goods. He did a lot.
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Trudeau has a whole lot of faults, but being "gutless" ain't one of them.
Oh?>
Like his famous boxing match?>
Former "bouncer"?>
Where - a day care center?>
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
You know what they say, Weaver . . . .

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2017-12-04 23:34:59 UTC
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Aw, shaddup already, Weaver . . . .
I ain't "Weaver".
Yeah, you are. Keith Weaver.
You regularly accuse people of not being who they say they are.

You did it to me, and I know you were lying, so why would I believe you now?
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If he was gutless, he wouldn't have brought up the detention of
four Canadians by China and their civil > rights.
Of course he would, note he DID nothing.
He wouldn't trade off our environmental concerns and laws in exchange
for their cheap goods. He did a lot.
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Trudeau has a whole lot of faults, but being "gutless" ain't one of them.
Oh?> Like his famous boxing match?> Former "bouncer"?> Where - a
day care center?> LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
You know what they say, Weaver . . . .
...that you having nothing of substance to offer?

We already knew that.
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2017-12-05 00:54:15 UTC
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Aw, shaddup already, Weaver . . . .
I ain't "Weaver".
Yeah, you are. Keith Weaver.
You regularly accuse people of not being who they say they are.
You did it to me, and I know you were lying, so why would I believe you now?
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If he was gutless, he wouldn't have brought up the detention of
four Canadians by China and their civil > rights.
Of course he would, note he DID nothing.
He wouldn't trade off our environmental concerns and laws in exchange
for their cheap goods. He did a lot.
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Trudeau has a whole lot of faults, but being "gutless" ain't one of them.
Oh?> Like his famous boxing match?> Former "bouncer"?> Where - a
day care center?> LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
You know what they say, Weaver . . . .
...that you having nothing of substance to offer?
We already knew that.
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Bacuase she always lies about who she is she assumes everyone else
does as well. I remember when M.I. was suppossed to be a police
officer. Someone in one of the immigration groups threatened to sue
her over her libel and she ran away never to return. KKK go away.
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Aw, shaddup already, Weaver . . . .
I ain't "Weaver".
Yeah, you are. Keith Weaver.
You regularly accuse people of not being who they say they are.
You did it to me, and I know you were lying, so why would I believe you now?
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If he was gutless, he wouldn't have brought up the detention of
four Canadians by China and their civil > rights.
Of course he would, note he DID nothing.
He wouldn't trade off our environmental concerns and laws in exchange
for their cheap goods. He did a lot.
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Trudeau has a whole lot of faults, but being "gutless" ain't one of them.
Oh?> Like his famous boxing match?> Former "bouncer"?> Where - a
day care center?> LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
You know what they say, Weaver . . . .
...that you having nothing of substance to offer?
We already knew that.
You're really Dubloonsky, aren't you?
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2017-12-04 23:37:01 UTC
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Aw, shaddup already, Weaver . . . .
I ain't "Weaver".
Yeah, you are. Keith Weaver.
Really?
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If he was gutless, he wouldn't have brought up the detention of four Canadians by China and their civil > rights.
Of course he would, note he DID nothing.
He wouldn't trade off our environmental concerns and laws in exchange for their cheap goods. He did a lot.
Bullshit, he demagogued is all.
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Trudeau has a whole lot of faults, but being "gutless" ain't one of them.
Oh?>
Like his famous boxing match?>
Former "bouncer"?>
Where - a day care center?>
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
You know what they say, Weaver . . . .
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It would be funny to see Trudumb punched in his pretty nose.
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2017-12-04 23:52:34 UTC
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It would be funny to see Trudumb punched in his pretty nose.
How old are you - not chronologically - but psychologically?

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2017-12-04 23:55:23 UTC
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It would be funny to see Trudumb punched in his pretty nose.
How old are you - not chronologically - but psychologically?
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I am young at heart and cardio, you?
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2017-12-05 00:55:46 UTC
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It would be funny to see Trudumb punched in his pretty nose.
How old are you - not chronologically - but psychologically?
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I am young at heart and cardio, you?
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52 and frequently outwork 20 somethings at my part time warehouse
labourer job.
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2017-12-05 01:15:15 UTC
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I ain't "Weaver".
Yeah, you are. Keith Weaver.
Since it's Karen, that pretty much proves that the person in question is
anybody *but* Keith Weaver.
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2017-12-05 01:38:49 UTC
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I ain't "Weaver".
Yeah, you are. Keith Weaver.
Since it's Karen, that pretty much proves that the person in question is
anybody *but* Keith Weaver.
And I'm anyone but Mike Wakefield and actually am living a pretty thin lifestyle.
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2017-12-05 00:52:32 UTC
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Trudeau can always play Trump card on visit to China
Nope, he's GUTLESS to the core!
Aw, shaddup already, Weaver . . . .
I ain't "Weaver".
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If he was gutless, he wouldn't have brought up the detention of four Canadians by China and their civil > rights.
Of course he would, note he DID nothing.
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Trudeau has a whole lot of faults, but being "gutless" ain't one of them.
Oh?
Like his famous boxing match?
Former "bouncer"?
Where - a day care center?
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
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I despide the trust fund , elitist Turdeau and have never voted
federal Liberal. He fought a larger man who turned out to be a cocaine
using, woman hater in a charity boxing match and won handily. His Dad
was also athletic and they both run up huge deficits and in Jr's case
lie about the size of them.
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Trudeau can always play Trump card on visit to China
Nope, he's GUTLESS to the core!
Aw, shaddup already, Weaver . . . .
I ain't "Weaver".
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If he was gutless, he wouldn't have brought up the detention of four Canadians by China and their civil > rights.
Of course he would, note he DID nothing.
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Trudeau has a whole lot of faults, but being "gutless" ain't one of them.
Oh?
Like his famous boxing match?
Former "bouncer"?
Where - a day care center?
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
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I despide the trust fund , elitist Turdeau and have never voted
federal Liberal. He fought a larger man who turned out to be a cocaine
using, woman hater in a charity boxing match and won handily. His Dad
was also athletic and they both run up huge deficits and in Jr's case
lie about the size of them.
He's a lightweight, in so very many ways!
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